So where is his documentation saying that sprinklers are required? Remember we've discussed this kind of situation many times. So before caving in I'd ask for the code references upon which he bases his opinion. I'd tell him that the owner isn't going to provide something unless it's required and the owner needs to see it in writing in the "code".
Tell him you're going to have to get a change order from the owner and you need proof of the requirement. That way it's not a direct challenge and forces him to come up with black and white requirements not just "sumthin he thunk up". If he can't produce it then throw it back at him. Other measure is to call his department manager or other supervisor for a clarification, don't give names or projects, you're just doing research of a requirement for a prospective project and get them to provide chapter and verse if it is a requirement of theirs. Then make sure to get a name, log the time and date and take good notes. If you can get them to e-mail you the same info that would be even better. If it turns out to not be a requirement you can use the name and date and quote the response to the local yokel. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Lowry Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Detached Porte Cochere Rick, Yes, that is the issue. The builder / Architect don't want to do the required connection of the buildings, but the DADS Inspector for this region apparently interprets differently than the last regional inspector did. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a standard statewide, and the decisions are left to the individual inspectors. This makes it hard for the builders to have a set of specific rules to follow when designing the building. Since the DADS inspectors don't review drawings prior to construction, (Arch or FP) it ends up being an issue when it's down to the wire to open. This particular inspector made the statement that he "didn't care what the IBC or IFC states, we use NFPA codes" and it didn't matter if the city's Building Official or Fire Marshal said. Guess this will be a learning experience for the Architect. Thanks for the responses. I can tell the builder that I tried :>) Don -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matsuda, Richard Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Detached Porte Cochere Don, If this is some kind of care facility in Texas, then the state inspector has slightly different requirements...and if you don't comply, then the care facility might not receive state certification or any state funding. The state inspector might be interpreting the 6-foot clearance between the buildings as insufficient for this combustible construction...and so he considers the porteco as part of the main building. rick matsuda city of dallas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Lowry Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:32 AM To: sprinklerfo...@firesprinkler. org Subject: Re: Detached Porte Cochere Combustible Don Lowry Sent via BlackBerry _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerfor um For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
