For non-toxic additives without an RPZ... I am sure that somewhere out there is 
[someone who is allergic to]/[a machine that will explode on contact with] any 
type of [safe]/[delicious] antifreeze chemical you can come up with. I am also 
pretty confident that the lawyer on the back of the phone book will be more 
than happy to represent them in a civil suit.

Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP 
Sales Engineer 
Alliance Fire Protection 
*Licensed in KS & MO 

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Antifreeze Backflow Prevention

bloody RPZ's have that annoying spitting characteristic too.

As a sidebar, an RPZ is required for protection against toxic  
compounds but even non-toxic chemicals (like propylene glycol) get  
pushed into using it.  SInce an RPZ is for toxic compounds, a cycle or  
two ago I attempted to delete the restriction against ethylene glycol  
when an RPZ is used.  Needless to say, the TC decided not to depend on  
the RPZ that strongly.  To be honest, I didn't do an extensive review  
to see how stringent the IPC is on compounds that actually are toxic  
since I knew it would fly like a lead balloon.

Anyone that plays with systems with nasty compounds that takes water  
from a potable supply, feel free to send me an off-Forum email  
educating me further.

Roland

On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Matt Grise wrote:

> Sorry...unclear wording.
>
> I meant that you could use either:
>
> 1) an RPZ at the riser, and a drilled check valve at the loop
> 2) a double check bfp at the  riser and an RPZ at the loop
>
> We sometimes use the second setup since RPZ's cost so much more than  
> DC BFP's. If the primary riser is 4,6,8" and the antifreeze loop  
> only needs a 1.25" RPZ, it can be less expensive to use 2 bfp's.
>
> Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP

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