Certainly if someone is putting in a tire store it's game over, reset and start again. You'll obviously be putting in new piping, riser, valve and such so kind of an apples to oranges comparison in regards to the salon. Around here I've never seen a tire store stuck in a strip shopping center, they are always stand alone buildings due to height and storage requirements.
Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Caputo Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Occupancy Craig, I didn't interpret the original post as describing a strip center however while I agree with you in general (mostly that hair salons should be at least an H-3 based as much on the smells as the heat release rate of patrons I've witnessed exiting said establishments here in SoCal) but I've also seen some pretty big tire stores in strip centers, so I'm not so sure the broad brush of an M occupancy is appropriate in that case. bc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Occupancy If this is a strip shopping center it's in the owner's best interest to treat the entire shell as Mercantile and be done with it. That way any retail or service type business can occupy the space. If you try to dissect the categories of the occupants as to whether they may actually be a "B" or "M" occupancy it will only create problems down the road when the "B"/LH beauty shop moves out and the "M"/OH Granny's Knick-Knacks and Haberdashery goes into the space. And yes, this is a Building Code issue, not an NFPA 13 issue. The NFPA part is secondary to the BC issue. But if the system is existing, leave it alone. But personally, shouldn't most beauty salons be considered an "H" occupancy and protected with foam-water deluge systems, I mean look at the chemical list, the smells make me think there are some serious toxics involved.............. ;) Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Caputo Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Occupancy In my opinion, the question isn't directly an NFPA 13 issue but rather Building and Fire Code issues in terms of occupancy and allowable amounts of chemical or hazardous materials within a control area. Normally, the code exempts (to a degree) mercantile occupancies where products containing flammables, combustibles or hazardous materials (irritants, toxics, carcinogens, etc) are stored in the same containers they are sold in. That's why Costco, Sams, BJ's and similar can store more vegetable oils in quantity than a manufacturing or storage use building could have in storage of a product with the same flash point. That said, at some point in the process of analysis someone has to decide what the corresponding NFPA 13 occupancy use group or commodity and storage arrangement is, so sprinkler design criteria can be established... I suggest this is a job for a consultant or an engineer of record - not the contractor. (again - just stating my opinion) Bob Caputo, CFPS, CET 657 Cantara Lane - Vista, CA 92081 Fire & Life Safety America Company 3017 Vernon Rd - Richmond, VA 23228 Office: (804) 222-1381 Cell: (804) 263-1577 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Pepin Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Occupancy I am working on a project that doesn't have an Eng of Record. The building contains large individual shell spaces. The original sprinkler system was designed for a mercantile occupancy. A tenant has purchased a couple of spaces and is opening a beauty/hair salon. I don't see the fuel load as a normal mercantile occupancy would have. Light or ord. 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