I'd just list the issue as a Misc. Observation. Used to do that when I'd notice things like crates stacked too close to ceilings or items being stored in places they weren't intended to be stored. It's not a system deficiency but it's noted.
Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 12:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Ceiling Tiles or Lack thereof... I would say that unless you have an inspector that is totally ignorant on 13, 1, IBC or any applicable code or standard besides 25, some Lawyer will say that YOU KNEW!!! Of the deficiency, and did not make any attempt to report it either to the owner or the AHJ. "Therefore as a "Professional" Inspector, you had a duty to notify either or both, and failing that you accepted responsibility for that condition, and the subsequent damage the fire caused to the owner property. If not your expertise, what was he paying you for?" As in life and our legal system the only protection from Hellacious Insurance Vulnerability is a Complete OpeN Disclosure of Un-specified Matters. Practice Strategic Exclusion eXposure! Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew J. Willis Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Ceiling Tiles or Lack thereof... > > > >Tiles are part of the ceiling assembly and the protection design for a > >standard drop ceiling presumes the tiles are in place and yes, grid > >with no tiles is a design style, grids with some tiles is a design > >style, floating grid with an open perimeter is a design style, but > >that's is supposed to be known at the time of the design and the > >layout will account for these other than standard full ceiling design > >types. So you do have something to hang your hat on in that the owner > >has potentially compromised the fire protection by removing tiles, > >also known as a change. > In theory, yes. In application no. Remember, 25 addresses SYSTEM components only. And states.... it is assumed this thing was put in per code at the time and things along those lines are outside this scope. Or words like that. >NFPA 1 Chapter 13 Fire Protection Systems Section 13.3.3.3 Inspection, Testing and Maintenance... Where automatic sprinklers are installed, ceilings necessary for the proper actuation of the fire protection device in accordance with NFPA 13 shall be maintained. I like this. Only problem I see is the "ceilings neccesary". I could read that as the sole tile where the sprinkler is located. Which is what I see most often. I have pics of some that are..,. well, I inspect quickly when there. It would require rewording to "Ceiling Assemblies". Then refernced in Chapter 2 of 25. R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis, CET Automatic Fire Sprinklers Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. 318-387-1134 Voice 318-816-1087 Mobile 318-387-1163 Facsimile [email protected] > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
