Matt- Is it really considered storage just because they are in there charging the batteries? What's to say that if the forklifts are parked out in the warehouse that the entire warehouse shouldn't be designed for Group A plastics? That's the problem I'm having in my own feeble little mind....
Brian Harris FDFP Inc. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew J. Willis Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 10:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Commodity Question >From the table in 13: b Most batteries have a polypropylene case and, if stored empty, should be treated as a Group A plastic. Truck batteries, even where filled, should be considered a Group A plastic because of their thicker walls. NFPA 505 Section 9.3 states there is to be "Fire Protection" Maybe some of the more "electrical" minded can provide more from 70..? R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis, CET Automatic Fire Sprinklers Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. 318-387-1134 Voice 318-816-1087 Mobile 318-387-1163 Facsimile [email protected] > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Harris > >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:39 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Commodity Question > > > >Craig- > >I would definitely say they are truck size (or larger) that's why I was > >leaning towards Group A. It just seems like overkill, I can't imagine > >there > >would be more than 5 or 10 in there at the most. Would you think the > >"charging" would create any additional concerns? I.e.: Gases... > > > >Brian Harris > >FDFP Inc. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >[email protected] > >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:27 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Commodity Question > > > >Are the batteries standard car size or larger truck size? > > > >Look at NFPA 13, Table A.5.6.3, filled automobile batteries believe it or > >not are considered a Class I commodity while truck batteries are > >considered > >Group A plastics. > > > >How many batteries are in the location, what size would you consider them > >to > >be, auto or truck? > > > >Consider that in an automotive store that car batteries are on racks in > >fairly appreciable quantities and nothing extra ordinary is done to the > >overhead sprinkler systems in those areas. > > > >Apparently someone with more letters after their name than you and I has > >determined that a water filled CAR battery is not a huge hazard. > > > > > > > >Craig L. Prahl, CET > >Fire Protection Specialist > >Mechanical Department > >CH2MHILL > >Lockwood Greene > >1500 International Drive > >Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > >Direct - 864.599.4102 > >Fax - 864.599.8439 > >[email protected] > >http://www.ch2m.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian > >Harris > >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:08 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Commodity Question > > > >Craig- > >I'm leaning towards Group A Plastics because of the batteries but don't > >want > >to overkill it either. > > > >Brian Harris > >FDFP Inc. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >[email protected] > >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Commodity Question > > > >Brian, > > > >I don't want this to come off as a smart retort, but if you look in NFPA > >13, > >what is your first inclination as far as a protection scheme? > > > > > >Craig L. 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