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From: [email protected] 
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue Oct 11 19:40:27 2011
Subject: RE: Grounding

Thanks all - we got this one covered.   Seems that a unified school
district here in San Diego County had a paranoid operations manager some
time back who required that lightning strike protection be retrofitted
on ALL schools in the district.   Those equipped with sprinklers got
bonded ...   never mind that we haven't had a building struck by
lightning here in, I dunno like, FOREVER.   I guess he came from
Oklahoma or someplace where it's an issue.   

If I were to be reincarnated, I hope it will be as a public employee.
That way, I could go on drunken spending sprees with money that I don't
really have to account for and buy stuff that I don't really need.
That would be fun.

SML

No offense intended to the diligent public employees who subscribe to
this forum, of course.   :-)



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Grounding

13: 10.6.8*In no case shall the underground piping be used as a  
grounding electrode for elec-
trical systems.

A.10.6.8.1While the use of the underground fire protection piping as  
the grounding elec-
trode for the building is prohibited, NFPA 70requires that all  
metallic piping systems be
bonded and grounded to disperse stray electrical currents. Therefore,  
the fire protection piping
will be bonded to other metallic systems and grounded,but the  
electrical system will need
an additional ground for its operation.


Bonding is being connected to the ground system.  The sprinkler system  
(specified for the underground portion) can not be used as a ground  
system.  The last time I looked (more than a few days now) NEC said  
that all metal piping capable of becoming energized shall be  
grounded.  That typically is interpreted as ALL.  Must confess I  
haven't dug through the nasty details since it hasn't been a common  
problem.

Roland


On Oct 11, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Ron Greenman wrote:

> NEC requires all metal to be bonded, not grounded (semantics sort of  
> since
> both go to earth, but there is a difference between bonding and  
> grounding).
> I'd look it up but have to go to a meeting.
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Travis Mack, SET  
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> There is a local jurisdiction here that requires it.  He tells me  
>> it is in
>> the NEC.
>>
>>
>> On 10/11/2011 2:58 PM, Steve Leyton wrote:
>>
>>> Assuming it's in there somewhere, where does 13 and or 24 speak to
>>> attaching bonding or grounding wires to sprinkler systems?    
>>> Question
>>> posed to me today and I had to admit that I don't know ...  hate  
>>> it when
>>> that happens.
>>>
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