Are you talking about hoist rooms, hydraulic pump rooms, or the shaft?

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Brian Harris <[email protected]>wrote:

> Jim-
> Thanks for the input, does make sense. Have you ever ran across that
> situation where the line running into the room needs to be dry?
>
> Brian Harris, CET
> FDFP Inc.
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> [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:09 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Solenoid Detail
>
> Brian,
>
> I was once told by an elevator inspector and another consultant in
> California that they preferred having elevator power shut off (shunt trip)
> by heat detectors rated at less than sprinkler operation because it
> minimizes the chance of accidental shutdown due to waterflow surges,
> testing, etc. It made sense to me.
>
> Since that time it has saved a lot of trouble.
>
> Jim
>
>
> James L (Jim) Roberts, PE/SET |FLUOR|Director-Fire Protection Engineering|
> Central Operations-Building Systems Dept|[email protected]|IODC
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> From:   "Brian Harris" <[email protected]>
> To:     <[email protected]>
> Date:   10/12/2011 08:53 AM
> Subject:        RE: Solenoid Detail
> Sent by:        [email protected]
>
>
>
> Understood, however I've seen it used before for this application, right or
> wrong. Reading through NFPA-72 seems like the preferred method is a flow
> switch that shuts off power instead. Just curious what other people use
> when
> the owner doesn't want any water in the pipe inside the room unless the
> heat
> detector trips if you can't use a solenoid?
>
> Brian Harris, CET
> FDFP Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sal Izzo
> (TECH- 103)
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:50 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Solenoid Detail
>
> A solenoid valve by itself is not listed or approved as a controllong valve
> for sprinkler systems. They are listed for fire protection service as a
> releasing device for deluge valves used for deluge or preaction
> applications. It may be used as such when integrally installed as part of
> an
> assembly meeting the deluge valve laboratory standards.
>
> Regards,
> Salvatore Izzo, P.E.
> Manager-Reliable Technical Services
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Harris [[email protected]]
> Received: Wednesday, 12 Oct 2011, 8:41am
> To: [email protected] [[email protected]]
> Subject: Solenoid Detail
>
> Does anybody have a nice detail of a solenoid (pre-action) detail used in
> elevator equipment rooms they'd be interested in sharing?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Brian Harris, CET
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> First Defense Fire Protection
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