Brad, I hesitate to get you going but... and I've said this a lot.... The IBC, NFPA 5000, Dr. Seuss' Building Code, etc. are models presented to the public as a method of regulating buildings that can be adopted, usually by reference (cheap) or by publication (expensive), written by private code model providers/companies looking to sell books. Jurisdictional entities then choose a model (pretty much universally the IBC, much to the chagrin of Dr. Seuss) to adopt as law. They have the opportunity to amend it before adoption by adding, deleting or changing passages. Upon adoption the IBC ceases to be the official title of that law/code, usually becoming the Revised Code of (enter name of entity here) # whatever. Once adopted any document that is referenced as being a part of that code are code, no matter what it may have been entitled before the adoption, such as Standard for the....). The big difference, as I see it between a model code, standard, guideline, etc. is a model code has enabling language whereas a standard does not and so needs to be referenced. A guideline won't be referenced but may be mentioned as a recommended practice. Other referenced publications can be documents originating from ASCE,such as number 7, ASTM, etc. If you look at IBC Chapter 9, you will find (and I don't have the numbers in my head) 904.xx referencing NFPA 13 (as amended) as the part the code governing the installation of sprinklers in commercial buildings, and 904.xy and 904.xz referencing 13R & 13D for installation in multi-family and SFD respectively. Once adopted as part of a law there is no distinction regarding whether something is a code or not. When documents adopted as code disagree, as sometimes occurs wit Federal work where the IBC/IFC and NFPA 101 are both adopted then the more restrictive typically applies.
As for the metric system let's use the basic unit of measurement, the meter, mas opposed to the imperial unit of the foot. Go smaller and 100 centimeters equals the meter while 1000 meters equal the kilometer, all multiples of ten. Let's look at the foot. Twelve inches, broken down into 1/4s. 1/8s, 1/16ths, etc. Going the other way it's 5280 feet that make a mile, but not a nautical mile. Then there are yards, chains, furlongs to add spice. Weight? 1000 grams equals a kilogram, but 16 ounces equals a pound. Volume is great. A thousand milliliters equals a liter, but imperial volumes: 2 cups = 1 pint. 2 pints = 1 quart but 4 quarts = 1 gallon. I forget how many gallons in a bushel, bushels in peck. Temperature is a favorite. Both use the state change thresholds of water as markers. So metric equals 0 degrees for solid/water phase and 100 for water/gas phase, but lets use 32 and 212 'causer hat makes more sense. Now I hope you, the number guy, was just messing with me on this. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:29 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't get this, Rons. Are you talking about what NFPA 5000 was supposed > to become 30 years ago? That was also the deadline for converting to > metric. But since the American West was not won 25.4 millimeters by 25.4 > millimeters, but inch by inch, and most systems are installed on Earth, we > can keep things like we like them. I need to ponder the Code vs Standard > fued, and will do so for the remainder of the evening. > > Quoting Ron Greenman <[email protected]>: > > Yeah Ron. When will that happen? Any day like any day we'll adopt the >> metric system? I think the next time an AHJ tells me the state code >> adopted >> version of the IBC is the code, and the referenced version of 13 in that >> code is just a standard I'm going to revert to a younger version of me and >> there will be a set of bloody knuckles and a bloody nose. You can decide >> who's sporting what. >> >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Brad Casterline >> <[email protected]>**wrote: >> >> fill it (nearly) full of non-comb insulation and tell everyone to have a >>> nice day :) (that still works, right? the insulation i mean) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]**] >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:51 PM >>> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org<[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space >>> >>> It's another case of Architects designing buildings that don't comply >>> with >>> NFPA #13s' construction requirements. When will they learn that NFPA 13 >>> is >>> building code as well as a sprinkler system installation standard? >>> >>> Ron Fletcher >>> Aero Phoenix >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: >>> sprinklerforum-bounces@**firesprinkler.org<[email protected]> >>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-**[email protected]<[email protected]>] >>> On Behalf Of A.P.Silva >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:35 AM >>> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org<[email protected]> >>> Subject: Combustible Concealed Space >>> >>> I have a combustible concealed space above the main floor of a two storey >>> building that is required to be sprinklered. This space is 16" deep and >>> consists of open web trusses spaced 16" on-centre. The webs are made of >>> 2x4's, causing considerable obstructions. This space qualifies for the >>> use >>> of heads listed for this use. >>> >>> My questions/dilemmas are as following: >>> >>> (1) There is no feasible possibility to avoid obstructions. Any comments? >>> (2) As far as I know, the CC heads are only made by TYCO and they are not >>> ULC listed. I'm in a Canadian jurisdiction. So can I say there is no >>> listed >>> head (as the building code validates only ULC listings) and use standard >>> heads? >>> (3) If I use CC heads, can I use exposed blazemaster piping (subject to >>> the >>> restrictions of course)? The problem is exposed blazemaster piping is >>> allowed only in its UL listing and not in ULC. So just going around in >>> circles. >>> >>> Thanks for any comments. >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org <[email protected]> >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.**org/mailman/listinfo/**sprinklerforum<http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org <[email protected]> >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.**org/mailman/listinfo/**sprinklerforum<http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org <[email protected]> >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.**org/mailman/listinfo/**sprinklerforum<http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ron Greenman >> Instructor >> Fire Protection Engineering Technology >> Bates Technical College >> 1101 So. 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