That was good, Douglas.
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Douglas Hicks <[email protected]> wrote: > Charles, Ron, this is off topic. I can beat the story about the cardboard > box. There is a resturant here in Eastern Oregon, I serviced the Ansul > once. The Ansul defiencies bothered me enough so I would not do the > service again. The hood was made of alumiminum and single wall duct, not > grease tight. A few years later, a class reunion was held in the > resturant. We went, and I noticed the exhaust hood and appliances were > gone! The kitchen was moved into the back room. I went over and peaked in > the back room and there was a new hood over the appliances. I was > disappointed to see the new exhaust hood was not protected by a fire > suppression system. But the lack of a suppression system was not the real > problem. The hood did not meet any UL, NFPA or IMC standards. It was made > of cardboard! Yes, the hood was made of cardboard. The duct tape that > held the cardboard to the wall and the duct probably did not meet code > either. But, they did not have to worry about grease build-up in the hood, > they just replaced the cardboard box. > > You just cannot make this stuff up! > > -----Original Message----- From: Charles Thurston > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:57 AM > To: Ron Greenman > Subject: Re: Paint booth > > Hello Ron, > > Actually happened in a body shop here after the city inspector told them > they needed "Sprinklers" in the spray booth (non sprinkled building) 3/8" > poly from the saddle tap under the water cooler ran 50' across the > building, Then split to the 2 heads in the spray booth. City inspector > "approved" their installation 5-6 years ago and is still like that. > > > Sunday, July 28, 2013, 11:03:49 AM, you wrote: > > so just >> increase that to a really big pipe like 1" after tapping the line that >> goes >> to the water cooler. >> > > > On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:55 AM, Douglas Hicks <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Hi School, Sophomore to Senior >>> Permit? Not a chance, No Way. Does that cost more? >>> This is the third sheet rock booth I have seen. None were permitted or >>> inspected. >>> -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] >>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 5:30 PM >>> To: sprinklerforum@lists.**firespr**inkler.org<http://firesprinkler.org> >>> <sprinklerforum@**lists.firesprinkler.org<[email protected]> >>> > >>> Subject: Re: Paint booth >>> >> > Is this a K-12 school, or a community college. Adult education usually >>> defaults to a B-occupancy, then goes to special occupancies or uses. If >>> it >>> is a high school it should be an E-occupancy. >>> >> > Spraying in an E-occupancy normally requires a paint spray room. Booths >>> are not an option in E occupancies. See IFC 2404.2, IBC, IMC, and adopted >>> electrical code. >>> >> > Was the booth installed under benefit of permit? >>> >> > bv >>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Steve Leyton" <[email protected]> >>> To: sprinklerforum@lists.**firespr**inkler.org<http://firesprinkler.org> >>> <sprinklerforum@**lists.firesprinkler.org<[email protected]> >>> > >>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:14:37 PM >>> Subject: RE: Paint booth >>> >> > Not sure there's a recognized 90 minute assembly. There are one and two >>> hour, but I think the architect would have a hard time gaining approval >>> for a 90 minute assembly without an appeal or approval of alternative >>> means and methods of construction. For this type of booth (we've done 3 >>> in >>> high schools recently) the industry standard for pre manufactured is >>> either one or two hour. >>> >> > Steve >>> >> > "J.P. Merlino" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > Can the room design method be applied provided the walls of the room in >>> which the paint booth is located, are 90 min fire rated ? >>> >> > If the room is under 2500 sq ft it will make a big difference in the water >>> supply and storage. >>> >> > J.P. Merlino >>> >> > -----Mensaje original----- De: sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.**** >>> firesprinkler.org >>> <sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.**firesprinkler.org<[email protected]> >>> > >>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-****[email protected].****org< >>> sprinklerforum-bounces@**lists.firesprinkler.org<[email protected]> >>> >] >>> En nombre de Steve >>> Leyton >>> Enviado el: viernes, 26 de julio de 2013 02:10 p.m. >>> Para: sprinklerforum@lists.**firespr**inkler.org<http://firesprinkler.org> >>> <sprinklerforum@**lists.firesprinkler.org<[email protected]> >>> > >>> ; >>> sprinklerforum@lists.**firespr**inkler.org <http://firesprinkler.org>< >>> sprinklerforum@**lists.firesprinkler.org<[email protected]> >>> > >>> Asunto: RE: Paint booth >>> >> > Yes, but if it's not rated I would say you need to do a design for EH II >>> that encompasses the booth, the mixing room, and adjacent spaces >>> (assuming >>> no 2-hour separations from adjacent uses) up to the required design area >>> in >>> 11.2.3.1.1. >>> >> > Steve Leyton >>> Protection Design & Consulting >>> San Diego, CA >>> >> > > -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.**** >>> firesprinkler.org >>> <sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.**firesprinkler.org<[email protected]>> >>> on >>> behalf of Douglas >>> Hicks >>> Sent: Fri 7/26/2013 10:09 AM >>> To: sprinklerforum@lists.**firespr**inkler.org<http://firesprinkler.org> >>> <sprinklerforum@**lists.firesprinkler.org<[email protected]> >>> > >>> Subject: Paint booth >>> >> > I have been asked by a local school district about protecting an >>> automotive >>> paint booth. The catch, the booth is 2 x 4 framed, covered with sheet >>> rock. >>> The exhaust duct work does not have filters, and the exhaust fan may not >>> be >>> rated for hazardous paint fumes. The booth does not meet any UL >>> standards, >>> so I cannot install a dry chemical suppression system. 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