Well, now I need to eat some crow pie. Sure enough there it is in 2012 IRC Chapter 5, Section R501.3. But in my defense it appears to be a new requirement to the 2012 code, plus in Southern California basements are rare as hens teeth; and I rarely review single family dwellings.
Galen Taylor County of Los Angeles Fire Department Fire Prevention Engineering 323-890-4339 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Mote Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 3:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: NFPA 13D or 13? This was forwarded to me by a colleague off forum. Looks like paragraph 1 is where it is required. And paragraph IV is where it exempts dimensional lumber greater than 2 x 10. Looks like it came in with the 2012 IRC. And since paragraph I specifically calls out NFPA13D my original question has been answered. TJI Floor Protection: (H) FIRE PROTECTION OF FLOORS.-- (1) EXCEPT AS SET FORTH IN PARAGRAPH (2), A FLOOR ASSEMBLY NOT REQUIRED IN THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, OR ITS SUCCESSOR BUILDING CODE, TO BE FIRE-RESISTANCE RATED SHALL BE PROVIDED WITH A 1/2-INCH GYPSUM WALLBOARD MEMBRANE, 5/8-INCH WOOD STRUCTURAL PANEL MEMBRANE, OR EQUIVALENT, ON THE UNDERSIDE OF THE FLOOR FRAMING MEMBER. (2) PARAGRAPH (1) SHALL NOT APPLY TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: (I) A FLOOR ASSEMBLY LOCATED DIRECTLY OVER A SPACE PROTECTED BY AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION P2904, NFPA13D OR OTHER EQUIVALENT SPRINKLER SYSTEM APPROVED BY A MUNICIPAL CODE OFFICIAL. (II) A FLOOR ASSEMBLY LOCATED DIRECTLY OVER A CRAWL SPACE NOT INTENDED FOR STORAGE OR FUEL-FIRED APPLIANCES. (III) A PORTION OF A FLOOR ASSEMBLY WHICH COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THE FOLLOWING: (A) THE AGGREGATE AREA OF THE UNPROTECTED PORTIONS SHALL NOT EXCEED 80 SQUARE FEET PER STORY. (B) FIRE BLOCKING IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION R302.11.1 SHALL BE INSTALLED ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE UNPROTECTED PORTION TO SEPARATE THE UNPROTECTED PORTION FROM THE REMAINDER OF THE FLOOR ASSEMBLY. (IV) A WOOD FLOOR ASSEMBLY USING DIMENSION LUMBER OR STRUCTURAL COMPOSITE LUMBER EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN TWO INCH BY TEN-INCH NOMINAL DIMENSION OR A FLOOR ASSEMBLY APPROVED BY A MUNICIPAL CODE OFFICIAL DEMONSTRATING EQUIVALENT FIRE PERFORMANCE. (I) WALL BRACING REQUIREMENTS.--SECTION R602.10 THROUGH SECTION R602.12.1.6 OF THE 2009 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, OR ITS SUCCESSOR PROVISIONS, ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE UNIFORM CONSTRUCTION CODE. THE WALL BRACING REQUIREMENTS OF SECTIONS Richard L. Mote Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of rongreenman . Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 5:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: NFPA 13D or 13? I think this guy's concern is to fighting fires and firefighter safety regarding floor collapse. On the one hand I can't argue that his concern isn't valid. On the other hand I'd like to see where that is required by his code as it is otherwise an arbitrary and capricious demand on his part that harms the owner financially relative to the AHJs whim. My third hand carries the same question I have about attics and garages. If you don't want people to fall through the roof don't have them climb on the roof. If you're concerned about lives have your legislature pass a residential ordinance and put the sprinklers in. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Richard Mote <[email protected]>wrote: > House is on a private well, so if we do put in sprinklers it's 2 300 > gallon tanks and a 53 gpm @ 43 psi pump. > > Richard L. Mote > Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. > 7994 Route 522, Suite 1 > PO Box 407 > Middleburg, PA 17842 > P 570-837-7647 > F 570-837-6335 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ben Young > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 5:09 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: NFPA 13D or 13? > > Its in the PA UCC, which he's operating under. It was added to the > 2009 edition after they took out the residential sprinkler requirement. > > Its also now included in the 2012 edition of the IRC. > > We prefer to not call it a sprinkler system, but as a fire rating > equivalency. > > Richard, I remember George calling these 'Maytag' systems since they > only protect the washer and dryer. > > I had a change of heart when I realized that this is a foothold into > people's homes. If they've already got sprinklers in the basement, > more may opt to have them installed throughout. > > And if there's one thing I've learned from doing a lot of single > family homes, its that the only other trade that's hated more than the > sprinkler guy is the drywall guy. Drywall the basement you say? > Guess who gets called out the first time there's a small leak. You > would be surprised how competitive you can be versus the drywaller if > you can make the system work off the existing service. > > Again, this is all on the up and up. Check the 2012 IRC. > > http://publicecodes.cyberregs.com/icod/irc/2012/icod_irc_2012_5_sec001 > .htm > *R501.3 Fire protection of floors. * > Floor assemblies, not required elsewhere in this code to be > fire-resistance rated, shall be provided with a 1/2-inch (12.7 mm) > gypsum wallboard membrane, 5/8-inch (16 mm) wood structural panel > membrane, or equivalent on the underside of the floor framing member. > > *Exceptions: * > > 1. Floor assemblies located directly over a space protected by an > automatic sprinkler system in accordance with Section P2904, NFPA13D, > or other approved equivalent sprinkler system. 2. Floor assemblies > located directly over a crawl space not intended for storage or > fuel-fired appliances. 3. > Portions of floor assemblies can be unprotected when complying with > the > following: 3.1. The aggregate area of the unprotected portions shall > not exceed 80 square feet per story 3.2. Fire blocking in accordance > with Section > R302.11.1 shall be installed along the perimeter of the unprotected > portion to separate the unprotected portion from the remainder of the > floor assembly. 4. Wood floor assemblies using dimension lumber or > structural composite lumber equal to or greater than 2-inch by 10-inch > (50.8 mm by 254 > mm) nominal dimension, or other approved floor assemblies > demonstrating equivalent fire performance. > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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