I was asking with regard to the basis of design. What are they trained for - mop up? Attack? Attack with small hose or large diameter with straight stream tips? The question is about whether they're required; besides that issue, if they're to be installed then they should be optimized for use by the responding department or brigade and that basis of design is infinitely subjective depending on hardware, training and responder tactics. If I was asking this same question in Delaware - given that Delaware volunteer brigades are apparently highly trained - then my answer would still be in the form of a question.
SL -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] on behalf of Ben Young Sent: Tue 3/11/2014 5:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Standpipe requirement Volunteer shouldn't mean no training. Delaware is almost all volunteer state-wide and they know exactly what to do with standpipes. Benjamin Young On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]>wrote: > PS: if a volunteer department, are they trained in standpipes and what > pressure nozzles, what size attack lines, etc. will they bring to the > party? > > SL > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Rod DiBona <[email protected]> > Date:03/11/2014 12:13 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Standpipe requirement > > Thank you Craig and Pete, > > Interesting that I do an ICC online search and this is what comes up but > it is for "[ 2010 California Fire Code, Title 24, Part 9 (First Printing), > Includes Errata/Supplement through July 1, 2012 ]" > > 905.3.1 Height. In other than Group R-3 and R-3.1 occupancies, Class III > standpipe systems shall be installed throughout at each floor where any of > the following occur: > 1. Buildings where the floor level of the highest story is located more > than 30 feet (9144 mm) above the lowest level of fire department vehicle > access. > 2. Buildings that are four or more stories in height. > 3. Buildings where the floor level of the lowest story is located more > than 30 feet (9144 mm) below the highest level of fire department vehicle > access. > 4. Buildings that are two or more stories below the highest level of fire > department vehicle access. > > > In addition as Pete found it in NFPA 1 but not adopted for us..... Good > point on the fire flow reduction- In Rapid City it is amended to a maximum > of 50% in lieu of the allowed max of 75%. Will check local to see if they > allow at all considering it does say "where approved" > > Appreciate the help fellas.... Still going to suggest standpipes as best > practice. Does 30' mean 30 ' or 30' 6"? Volunteer FD, remote, rural... > > Rod at Rapid > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Standpipe requirement > > NFPA 1 only applies if NFPA 1 is an adopted Code/Standard within the > Jurisdiction. > > IBC or IFC has 30 ft above or below FD access as the trigger. It was > probably an assumption at one time that three stories was approximately 30 > ft but there was no Code verbiage using the three story mark as a trigger. > I remember hearing the same terminology used regarding stories. > > > In regards to the fire flow reduction, be sure to verify that as being > acceptable to the local fire authority. I have had cases where the local > FD said no reduction regardless of sprinklers. Obviously they had some > concerns based on local experience. > > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Group Lead > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29303 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Standpipe requirement > > NFPA 1 - 13.2.2.2 > > Peter Schwab > VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies > > Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. > 222 Capitol Court > Ocoee, Fl 34761 > > Mobile: (407) 468-8248 > Direct: (407) 877-5570 > Fax: (407) 656-8026 > > www.waynefire.com > > > > Celebrating over 34 years of life safety > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod DiBona > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:09 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Standpipe requirement > > I thought that if I have a 4 story OR the elevation of the highest floor > is 30' above or below the fd vehicle access I would need a standpipe. When > I look at 2009 IBC section 905.3.1 it only references the 30'. So I have a > 4 story apartment where the top floor is right at 30'- it doesn't look like > I need a standpipe. I just had it in my mind that once I hit 4 stories it > was a done deal. These are design build apartment complexes with S2 Parking > garage below where the architect is considering IIIA, IIIB or VB and I am > looking at the different sprinkler options for each. Looks like I can have > a 13R in the residential floors in IIIA where the other options are 13 > throughout. Is there another section that kicks it in at a 4th floor? > Maybe that was old UBC or maybe I dreamed it up. > > 905.3.1 Height. Class III standpipe systems shall be installed throughout > buildings where the floor level of the highest story is located more than > 30 feet (9144 mm) above the lowest level of fire department vehicle access, > or where the floor level of the lowest story is located more than 30 feet > (9144 mm) below the highest level of fire department vehicle access. > > Another thing I will throw out there that it looks like I had wrong... I > thought the fire flow reduction was only available for 903.3.1.1 (13 > system) but when I look at IFC section B105.2 - exception- It clearly > allows it for 903.1.2 as well. Probably common knowledge for most of you > but fyi... > > > > Rod at Rapid > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
