It is still early for me - so I cannot guarantee 100% brain power behind this...

I would say that the HP deficit could definitely cause your flow shortage. The 
work that the motor puts in results in water flow and water pressure. You can 
get more flow OR more pressure for the same HP, but if you want more of both it 
takes more power. (for a fun time, read that sentence with Mr Scotty's voice 
when captain Kirk asks for warp 7)

Also - lots of pump literature will also include a horsepower demand curve 
under the pressure/flow curve. If it is there, you might line up 30 hp against 
the flow curve and see where you end up.

Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II  
Sales Engineer 
Alliance Fire Protection 
130 w 9th Ave.
North Kansas City, MO 64116

*Licensed in KS & MO 
 
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913.888.0618 f 
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Behalf Of Tim Stone
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:16 AM
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Subject: RE: pump replacement issue

Todd,
Does the pump meet the sprinkler demand?
I would contact the manufacturer and discuss with the test department.

Regards,
G. Tim Stone

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NICET Level III Engineering Technician
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Todd - Work
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: pump replacement issue

I was asked to witness a pump test on an installation where a new 500 gpm at
54 psi VT fire pump had been installed on an existing diesel driver. The churn 
and rated flow curves were OK, but we could only get a maximum of 650 gpm out 
of the pump (at a pressure consistent with the expected curve). Any thoughts as 
to why this would happen? 

The thing I noticed in the pump literature is that the "test motor" was rated 
at 50 hp and the site motor is 30 hp. Both of these were indicated on the 
literature. Could the difference in horsepower (even though RPM was the
same) be the reason?

The pump is a Xylem-AC

Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
www.fpdc.com
860-535-2080 (ofc)
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