Travis, not a shot at you per se but you gave me an opportunity to vent. I think we, as an industry, and those of us that play here especially, need to stop saying remote to mean hydraulically most demanding. In the days when sprinklered buildings were pretty much exclusively open floor factories and warehouses and we were using the pipe schedule remote location for inspectors test ports made sense. Even when we went to early hydraulics in the same types of buildings, but now with places that have more demanding stuff in the middle or multiple design areas I think "remote" confuses the new guys. I'd just like the language changed. A pet peeve. Off my box and back in my hole. Thank you for your support. Ed Jaymes.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Travis Mack, SET <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes...same maximum...just do 500+500+250 and you are good to go. > > You can verify with the standpipe guru, Steve L, but I think he will agree > that it would be 500/500/250 for your scenario. > > Travis Mack, SET > MFP Design, LLC > 2508 E Lodgepole Drive > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > 480-505-9271 > fax: 866-430-6107 > email:[email protected] > > http://www.mfpdesign.com > https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > > On 8/12/2015 12:05 PM, Vince Sabolik wrote: > >> No, it IS 90k / floor... still the same _maximum_ requirement of 1,250 >> though????? >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8/12/2015 3:02 PM, Travis Mack, SET wrote: >> >>> Oh..I thought he meant 90k sq ft per floor. >>> >>> Would be hard to get 6 standpipes in what I assume is minimum 4 story >>> building. That would be 22.5k sq ft per floor. I can't see having 6 >>> standpipes on a floor area that small...but it is possible. >>> >>> Travis Mack, SET >>> MFP Design, LLC >>> 2508 E Lodgepole Drive >>> Gilbert, AZ 85298 >>> 480-505-9271 >>> fax: 866-430-6107 >>> email:[email protected] >>> >>> http://www.mfpdesign.com >>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >>> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >>> >>> On 8/12/2015 11:58 AM, Cliff Whitfield wrote: >>> >>>> Travis, >>>> >>>> His building is 90k total, not per floor. I don't think what you just >>>> posted applies. >>>> >>>> Cliff >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis >>>> Mack, SET >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:54 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: ...so a standpipe walks into a bar... >>>> >>>> 90k sq ft changes things... >>>> For buildings over 80k sq ft, you do 500+500+250 >>>> >>>> *7.10.1.1.3 *The minimum flow rate for additional standpipes shall be >>>> 250 gpm (946 L/min) per standpipe for buildings with floor areas that do >>>> not exceed 80,000 ft2 (7432 m2) per floor. For buildings that exceed 80,000 >>>> ft2 (7432 m2) per floor, the minimum flow rate for the additional >>>> standpipes shall be >>>> 500 gpm (1893 L/min) for the second standpipe and 250 gpm >>>> (946 L/min) for the third standpipe if the additional flow is required >>>> for an unsprinklered building. >>>> >>>> Travis Mack, SET >>>> MFP Design, LLC >>>> 2508 E Lodgepole Drive >>>> Gilbert, AZ 85298 >>>> 480-505-9271 >>>> fax: 866-430-6107 >>>> email:[email protected] >>>> >>>> http://www.mfpdesign.com >>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >>>> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >>>> >>>> On 8/12/2015 11:53 AM, Vince Sabolik wrote: >>>> >>>>> I really don't know if it should be I or III. No sprinklers and - oh, >>>>> 90,000 sq ft. Current code. I'm thinking 500 + 250 until 1,250 but I can't >>>>> see that in 14 anymore. Old age setting in again? Thanks for the help. >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 12, 2015, Vince Sabolik <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Forum -- >>>>> >>>>> I have a building with a dry, manual standpipe fed from an FDC. >>>>> >>>>> There are six standpipes with 2½" valves. >>>>> >>>>> Can someone break down the NFPA flow requirement, Barney-style for me? >>>>> >>>>> I'm thinking 500 gpm first and 250 gpm each additional. 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