I have an entire lecture regarding CSI and who subs what called "Disaster on the C-17 Simulator Building." If the FA guy explicitly excludes it and he is subcontracted to the general, and the sprinkie does the same, under the same circumstances then it's the general's problem to figure it out before both contracts are accepted since the exclusion is there for him to see. If, say, the FA is subcontracted to the electrical contractor and excludes it, and the electrical accepts the sub-contract then it is his baby and he needs to explicitly exclude it in his contract with the general or he buys it.
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Michael Hill <[email protected]> wrote: > We almost always exclude all electric and detection, but on occasion we > have > subcontracted electric work out (not for preaction though). Recently, we > have had a few government projects where the building's electric department > was responsible for all electric connections to the preaction cabinet. They > also connected the new preaction system to their proprietary alarm system > (that was a lot of fun trying to get the correct modules). > > We to have found the electric/fire alarm contractors also exclude the > devices for the preaction systems (usually knowing that they will get a > change order later on). > > We are strictly a sprinkler company. We provide devices, flows and tampers, > but no other fire alarm services. Not licensed as a fire alarm contractor. > > > Mike Hill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] > On Behalf Of Rod DiBona > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Preaction Systems Scope > > I am wondering how most of you handle the detection and releasing systems > for your preaction systems. We traditionally have excluded all electrical > and alarm but find it very common that the fire alarm contractor was just > smarts and parts and the electrician doesn't have it in his scope. Not very > often have the ME and EE coordinated so that it is spelled out correctly. > So > my question is do most of you include this scope and have an electrical > subcontractor that runs the conduit, provides and installs the heats or > detectors and programs the releasing panel or do you exclude? Thanks > > > Rod at Rapid Fire > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) A problem well stated is a problem half solved. -Charles F. Kettering, inventor and engineer (1876-1958) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
