You could have a base bid price excluding the electrics, with an "in bold" extra for the inclusion electrics. That might get their attention and still let them compare apples to apples. I know I've done that and that started someone asking questions about just what the other bids included.
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Rod DiBona <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you all for your help. That is what I thought but we were starting > to wonder if we were the only ones that seem to consistently have this > problem. We so clearly, in bold exclude it in detail and then still end up > with a fight at the end because the GC didn't buy it out. We were > considering just including all of it in all of our preaction bids so they > get a complete system and eliminate the hassle but felt that this would > make us less competitive if others weren't doing the same. We will continue > to exclude and see if we can't find a better way to communicate that this > is a likely scope gap unless it is addressed at bid time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of rongreenman . > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:03 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Preaction Systems Scope > > Here it is typically handled like Mike describes too. Everyone pretty much > knows the general's contracts guy will miss all the exclusion clauses > unless he's been bitten before. The object is to get the building built > with all systems working. > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Morey, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Typically we tried to let the project team work it out, but if they > > didn't or there wasn't a well defined project team to resolve these > > issues we'd typically take it out for numbers. Usually we try and get > > the electrical/alarm bidders for the project to put a number on it. > > > > Mike Morey, CFPS, SET > > Planner Scheduler/Designer > > BMWC Constructors, Inc. > > 1740 W. Michigan St, Indianapolis, IN 46222 > > O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111 > > [email protected] | www.bmwc.com > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> > > on behalf of Rod DiBona <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 12:25 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Preaction Systems Scope > > > > I am wondering how most of you handle the detection and releasing > > systems for your preaction systems. We traditionally have excluded all > > electrical and alarm but find it very common that the fire alarm > > contractor was just smarts and parts and the electrician doesn't have > > it in his scope. Not very often have the ME and EE coordinated so that > it is spelled out correctly. > > So my question is do most of you include this scope and have an > > electrical subcontractor that runs the conduit, provides and installs > > the heats or detectors and programs the releasing panel or do you > > exclude? Thanks > > > > > > Rod at Rapid Fire > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > er.org _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > er.org > > > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > Bates Technical College > 1101 So. Yakima Ave. > Tacoma, WA 98405 > > [email protected] > > http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ > > 253.680.7346 > 253.576.9700 (cell) > > Member: > ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC > > They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis > Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) > > A problem well stated is a problem half solved. -Charles F. Kettering, > inventor and engineer (1876-1958) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) A problem well stated is a problem half solved. -Charles F. Kettering, inventor and engineer (1876-1958) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
