John,
I'm writing off on the forum because I don't want to stir up a hornets nest.
Isn't this an engineering decision, not a NICET SET decision?
I'm just saying, why would you want to take that liability as a NICET SET, and
also potentially violate your NICET Certification by practicing engineering.
Jeff Hewitt, PE, SET, PM.SFPE
Corporate Engineer
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Please note that any positions expressed above are my professional opinion
only, as a member of the NFPA 13 Technical Committee, and do not represent an
official interpretation of the NFPA 13 standard.
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of John Paulsen
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 9:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: HDPE Plastic Bin Box Storage
Hello All!
I am working with a truck parts supplier who has moved into an existing
warehouse and I am providing a design study to them on the existing system.
Pertinent Facts:
6"x6"x2" Grid with K-8.0 Upright Heads fed by a pump. Pipe is at 25' AFF.
Metal truck parts storage in HDPE Plastic Bin Boxes stored no higher than 10'
Existing system with 500 GPM hose calcs to .60 GPM / 3,000.
Tokyo Mutual Insurance
Personally I think the system provides adequate protection for the storage
configuration. In fact it is MORE than sufficient according to NFPA 13, Ch 14.
However the insurance company is maintaining that the plastic bin storage boxes
represent an additional hazard. This is a new experience for me. My contention
is that the Bin Boxes, even though they are made of HDPE Plastic, do not
represent an increase to the commodity classification because of their higher
flash point. (which is information I can't seem to find right now)
Is there a fire test out there that indicates these bin boxes represent an
increased hazard?
John Paulsen - SET
Crown Fire System Design
6282 Seeds Rd.
Grove City, OH 43123
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