A few years ago we changed our procedure so that if the controller does not have a digital read out of amps and volts, we would not provide it. We will not open controllers; not worth the risk. We have told owners and their insurance companies that we would be happy to provide a qualified electrician on a T & M basis if those numbers are required. No one has taken us up on it in the past 3 or 4 years.
*Jay Stough* NICET IV LAYOUT NICET III ITM On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Bruce Verhei <[email protected]> wrote: > As a municipal fire inspector I always made sure I stood well back when > the controller door was open. Flash burns are ugly. It's not like getting a > simple broken arm or something. > > But I'm usually witnessing acceptance test. > > Most annual tests do include amps on each leg. > > Some have lead this discussion away from what is code towards how should > this be addressed. This is good in this case. > > I'd bet few NFPA 25 inspectors are NFPA 70E whizzes. > > Diesel controllers. Not the same at all. > > Best > > Bruce Verhei > > On Mar 27, 2017, at 09:14, John Irwin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Great answer. > > > > *John Irwin - CET* > > *Division Manager – Fire Sprinklers* > > *Critical System Solutions, LLC* > > > *Licence Number: FPC16-000053*Cell: 813.618.2781 <(813)%20618-2781> > > Email: [email protected] > > > > <image003.png> > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy > Blocker > *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 12:06 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers > > > > The only ones we do in house are diesel drivers. This decision was only > made when the insurance agent explained everything we would need to do to > cover our rear. Also we found out that local licensing requires a master > electrician be the one to touch high voltage. So the scenario presented to > us was that my inspector is hurt by electrical equipment. The attorneys > would as for his license as an electrician, copies of his safety training > that we provided. If we couldn't show all this we were a sitting duck in > court. > > JJ > > Sent from my iPhone 6 > > > On Mar 27, 2017, at 9:52 AM, John Irwin <JIrwin@ > criticalsystemsolutions.com> wrote: > > You say 440 volt … So you do the 208v yourself? > > > > *John Irwin - CET* > > *Division Manager – Fire Sprinklers* > > *Critical System Solutions, LLC* > > > *Licence Number: FPC16-000053*Cell: 813.618.2781 <(813)%20618-2781> > > Email: [email protected] > > > > <image003.png> > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy > Blocker > *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 11:43 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers > > > > The easiest solution we found when faced with this very problem was to > call in the experts. When we asked our insurance agent about this we > discovered that we could end up needing to change our policy to cover high > voltage exposure. So we now use manufacturers recommended pump service > companies to perform the test. This not only keeps us away from the 440 > volt 3 phase power but it also allows the specialist to find issues that > the average sprinkler inspector would not notice. Our reports are carrying > more weight now as well since a P.E. signs the pump report. > > JJ > > Sent from my iPhone 6 > > > On Mar 27, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Matthew J Willis <[email protected]> > wrote: > > IS voltage a required item on the report? Along with amps? > > > > I always had the PPE and shook hands within.. > > > > R/ > > Matt > > > > *Matthew J. Willis* > > *Project Manager* > > *Rapid Fire Protection Inc.* <http://rapidfireinc.com/> > > *1530 Samco Road* > > *Rapid City, SD 57702* > > *Office-605.348.2342 <(605)%20348-2342>* > > *Direct Line-605.593.5063 <(605)%20593-5063>* > > *Cell-605.391.2733 <(605)%20391-2733>* > > *Fax:-605.348.0108 <(605)%20348-0108>* > > > > <image001.png> > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Roland > Huggins > *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 9:23 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers > > > > There is a TIA to NFPA 25 effectively saying stay the hell out of it. > We’ll see where it goes but it makes sense considering the hazard. What do > our pump inspectors herein think? > > > > Roland > > > > > > Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering > > American Fire Sprinkler Assn. > > Dallas, TX > > http://www.firesprinkler.org > > > > Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives > > > > > > > > On Mar 27, 2017, at 4:32 AM, John Denhardt <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > My personal opinion - no. > > John August Denhardt, P.E. > > Strickland Fire Protection > > > On Mar 27, 2017, at 6:34 AM, John Irwin <JIrwin@ > criticalsystemsolutions.com> wrote: > > What are an inspector’s responsibilities when it comes to opening up a > fire pump controller? One of our inspector’s wants me to buy him some PPE > so he can comfortably open up the fire pump controller. I am certainly not > opposed to this but I have talked to a number of inspectors at other > companies who say if there isn’t an external meter on the cabinet, the > voltage isn’t getting recorded. 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