Brad said to check w/ the pump manufacturer so I don't know what the all
the keyboard punching is about. I thought it was a nice outside the box
approach. The manufacturer offers different size impellers for a reason.
Feasible or not I don't know - call the pump guys to find out.

Anthony



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On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]>
wrote:

> You gotta let go of this Brad.  You're now having a visual fantasy about
> what can only be described as a reach at best or more critically, a bad
> practice.  Please go back to thermal layers or something ... this is
> ridiculous.  Have you given the future impeller an actual name for the
> plate, or would that be a blank that's just put in the cabinet so it can be
> appropriately named by whoever swaps it out?
>
> I have gotten calls from people (including attorneys) who have found and
> to varying extents vetted me using web searches.   I recently got hired to
> present a seminar series for the FD of one of the largest cities in the USA
> because they found me on the web; they told me that my name association
> with AFSA and NFPA conventions caught their eye and they also saw excerpts
> of posts I've made to the forum regarding standpipes.  You should Google
> "Brad Casterline Sprinklerforum" ... it's long list of hits.   The stuff we
> say on this forum isn't confined to the subscribers on the list-server.
>
> So if/when somebody finds this stream-of-consciousness and decides to use
> the now-and-future impeller basis of design, and then they get sued ...
>  you can send your formulas to their defense team I suppose.   I'm
> intentionally being histrionic and sarcastic but it's to make a point:  We
> need to promote best practices here.  This is an exchange of ideas, yes.
> But we cannot allow the conversation to turn to the purely speculative or
> the convenient or two an unsafe level of compromise.   This association,
> this forum and we as industry activists are the means to setting the
> standard of care higher.   We strive do it right, ESPECIALLY when nobody's
> watching.
>
> I think it's time to put the impeller-in-a-cabinet idea into a permanent
> sleep.
>
>
> SML
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected].
> org] On Behalf Of [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:19 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: PRV after pump discharge control valve
>
> Thank you Kyle, it means a great deal to me for you to say.
> I was curious about the application too, and saw a 1250 gpm, 2600 rpm
> with a range of 69 psi based solely on impeller diameter.
> Both impellers would need to be purchased and certified up front, and
> every one having signed off on the idea.
> I even imagined a note on the enlarged pump room plan, "mount future
> impeller and name plate in locked cabinet next to spare sprinkler
> cabinet".
>
> Brad
> Quoting "Kyle.Montgomery" <[email protected]>:
>
> > I found the formula interesting.
> >
> > Also, I didn't think that Brad was suggesting the fitter would
> > modify the impeller (were you?). I assumed he was just showing that
> > it was another possibility to explore (to be performed by pump rep).
> > You wouldn't modify the existing impeller, but replace it with a new
> > one.
> >
> > I do know it is possible (and not entirely uncommon) to have the
> > pump manufacturer "trim" the impeller to make small modifications to
> > the pump curve, to dial in the pressure. Not sure if it would work
> > for the kind of pressure differences the O.P. is looking at.
> >
> > If it is feasible, I think that (generally speaking) it might be
> > considered a preferable approach to the PRV. Less parts and pieces,
> > etc. However, the nice thing about a PRV is you can really dial in
> > the pressure and you get that wide, flat pressure curve. But there
> > are drawbacks as well.
> >
> > Kyle Montgomery
> >
> > Aero Automatic Sprinkler Co.
> > 21605 N. Central Ave.
> > Phoenix, AZ 85024
> > Direct: 623.580.7820
> > Cell: 602.763.4736
> > [email protected]
>
>
>
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