Joe, perhaps it's a small difference however I believe that as there is
specific guidance on the size and type of staples to be used for
attaching restraint wire to a wood joist or rafter, just as there is for
using a screw eye, as long as you met the minimums for them they're
acceptable.
I understand that in many jurisdictions the annex isn't enforceable
however there is guidance.
My disclaimer still applies.
*Ken Wagoner, SET
*Parsley Consulting***
*350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206
*Escondido, California 92025
*****Phone 760-745-6181*
Visit the website <http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/> ***
On 04/11/2019 12:38 PM, Joe Burtell wrote:
A bit of a joke, but what about the power driven staples for wood
joists? I doubt the staples are listed either. The detail for a metal
deck with concrete fill, which is what I have, says nothing on the
size. I would assume it's the same but some more guidance would be
helpful. In Montana, we have no jurisdictions that give guidance, it's
all per 13.
Best regards,
*Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS*
Burtell Fire_Small
Phone | Fax | Mobile| Text _406-204-4653 <tel:++1-406-204-4653>_
116 N. 11th Street | Billings, MT 59101
Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Web Site: http://www.burtellfire.com <http://www.burtellfire.com/>
*/“/**/The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness
of low price is forgotten./**/”/*
*NOTICE:*The information contained in this e-mail transmission is
intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. This
e-mail transmission, and any documents, files, previous e-mail
transmissions or other information attached to it, may contain
confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not
the intended recipient of this e-mail transmission, or the employee or
agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are
hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution,
copying or other use of this transmission or any of the information
contained in or attached to this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If
you have received this e-mail transmission in error, please
immediately notify us by return e-mail transmission and destroy the
original e-mail transmission as well as its attachments without
reading or saving it in any manner. Thank you.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 11:47 AM Parsley Consulting
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Joe,
when in doubt on something like this I pick up the phone and call
the manufacturer of the powder-driven stud, and ask them if they
have any information that their product can be used for that purpose.
I take note that the annex detail A.9.3.6.1(a) calls for a "5/16"
drill-in expansion anchor minimum" when attaching to cast in place
concrete, or winding a pigtail into the concrete pre-casting.
Further down A.9.3.6.1(c) seems to suggest self-tapping screws,
requiring them to be set prior to placing the concrete.
However I really believe the answer is in 9.3.7.7, which notes
that if the Wp is > 0.50 a powder-driven stud can't be used to
hang the pipe unless they're specifically listed, and to my
knowledge none are so listed.
As I am a member of the hanging and bracing committee please see
the disclaimer below.
sincerely,
*Ken Wagoner, SET
*Parsley Consulting***
*350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206
*Escondido, California 92025
*****Phone 760-745-6181*
Visit the website <http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/>
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This correspondence is not a Formal
Interpretation issued pursuant to NFPA Regulations. Any opinion
expressed is the personal opinion of the author and does not
necessarily represent the official position of the NFPA or its
Technical Committees. In addition, this correspondence is neither
intended, nor should it be relied upon, to provide professional
consultation or services
It should be noted that the above is my opinion as a member of the
NFPA Automatic Sprinkler System Hanging and Bracing Committee in
accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee Projects
and should therefore not be considered, nor relied upon, as the
official position of the NFPA or its Committees
***
On 04/11/2019 7:01 AM, Joe Burtell wrote:
I question if they need to be listed at all? Other details show
staples, #8 self-tapping screws for steel, 1/4" wood eyelets,
etc... I can't imagine any of these are listed for EQ zones? Pipe
EQ bracing it is clear, they have to be listed but I don't see
where fasteners for restraint need to be?
Best regards,
*Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS*
Burtell Fire_Small
Phone | Fax | Mobile| Text _406-204-4653 <tel:++1-406-204-4653>_
116 N. 11th Street | Billings, MT 59101
Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Web Site: http://www.burtellfire.com <http://www.burtellfire.com/>
*/“/**/The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the
sweetness of low price is forgotten./**/”/*
*NOTICE:*The information contained in this e-mail transmission is
intended only for use of the individual or entity named above.
This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files, previous
e-mail transmissions or other information attached to it, may
contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If
you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail transmission,
or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the
intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure,
dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this
transmission or any of the information contained in or attached
to this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
e-mail transmission in error, please immediately notify us by
return e-mail transmission and destroy the original e-mail
transmission as well as its attachments without reading or saving
it in any manner. Thank you.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 7:47 AM Travis Mack <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Are they listed for use in seismic applications? If so, I
would believe you are good. If they aren’t listed for use in
Seismic applications then not permitted.
Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET
480-505-9271
MFP Design, LLC
www.mfpdesign,com <http://www.mfpdesign,com>
Send large files to MFP Design via:
https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 11, 2019, at 6:44 AM, Joe Burtell
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Are there any restrictions on using power-driven studs for
branchline restraint? In the diagram, they show what looks
like a wedge bolt anchor but I can't see where there is any
size or requirements given for fasteners used for branchline
restraint.
<image.png>
Best regards,
*Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS*
Burtell Fire_Small
Phone | Fax | Mobile| Text _406-204-4653 <tel:++1-406-204-4653>_
116 N. 11th Street | Billings, MT 59101
Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Web Site: http://www.burtellfire.com
<http://www.burtellfire.com/>
*/“/**/The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the
sweetness of low price is forgotten./**/”/*
*NOTICE:*The information contained in this e-mail
transmission is intended only for use of the individual or
entity named above. This e-mail transmission, and any
documents, files, previous e-mail transmissions or other
information attached to it, may contain confidential
information that is legally privileged. If you are not the
intended recipient of this e-mail transmission, or the
employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the
intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying or other
use of this transmission or any of the information contained
in or attached to this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you
have received this e-mail transmission in error, please
immediately notify us by return e-mail transmission and
destroy the original e-mail transmission as well as its
attachments without reading or saving it in any
manner. Thank you.
<image001.jpg>
_______________________________________________
Sprinklerforum mailing list
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
_______________________________________________
Sprinklerforum mailing list
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
_______________________________________________
Sprinklerforum mailing list
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
_______________________________________________
Sprinklerforum mailing list
[email protected]
http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
