First of all, just in case you do not know, you'll probably loose the maintenance contract if you take this question to the local AHJ without asking your client about doing that. The answer, BTW, is yes to your question "Would it be required if this building were being constructed now?". The yes assumes there is some sort of modern building code currently required.
Part of the reluctance here to give you a straight answer is the business going on. The fire protection contractors would like the job. The consultants would like the job to be paid to provide the consulting service, ie answer. The owner's business is probably that of developing the capital improvements budget. There must be all sorts of things in this building that need replacing and redoing. They might hire a consultant to look at a bunch of things, including the fire protection, so they have something that includes cost estimates to show to the higher ups. The life of this building needs to be planned out one way or another. This might include selling the building to move somewhere else. What you describe about this building I am sure raises more eyebrows than your own. How it came to be this way might be interesting. I would bet any major building alteration the owner plans would have to include some sort of fire protection for the garage. That plus a budget estimate would be of interest to the owner. Even the deep pocket ones do not necessarily fix things they do not have to. Allan Seidel St. Louis, MO > On Jun 11, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Kyle.Montgomery via Sprinklerforum > <[email protected]> wrote: > > If that’s the case, why not let him decide if he wants them or not, > regardless of whether they would be required in a new build? A requirement > has little to do with whether or not they provide additional value or > safety/protection. > > -Kyle M > > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Ken Haney via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:37 AM > To: Prahl, Craig/GVL <[email protected]>; > [email protected] > Cc: Ken Haney <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Unsprinklered Parking Garage > > All, > We have an Owner with deep pockets. All we need to know is whether sprinklers > and/or standpipe would be required if this was building being constructed > now. He can then decide if an upgrade is something he wants to do. > > Ken Haney > Certified Engineering Tech > Haney Fire Protection, Inc. > 610.217.0347 > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > From: Prahl, Craig/GVL <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 2:26 PM > To: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: Ken Haney <mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Unsprinklered Parking Garage > > Was the system code compliant when installed and the certificate of occupancy > issued? If it was, it doesn’t matter if it meets current code unless there > were building changes that according to code required areas or systems to be > updated. > > Most owners are not going to update fire protection systems unless the law > requires them to do so. It’s a huge expenditure with little to no return on > investment for property owners. > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> | www.jacobs.com > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jacobs.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=wn3mZQLIuInh2ClcJ0_DIA&r=Z_2A85VL7AQzoqudh6uOyS3bn8etxB7nLN8OBJwQd9A&m=3LKelsqOIHgm3SjiKa1BI9GiLSExKRh4wHBWmfb-Zn4&s=SvWIwXdlokFiNzwRIUUt78mHfwMcoH3jmdk_Cx-LgEY&e=> > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Ken > Haney via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 2:07 PM > To: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: Ken Haney <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>; > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Unsprinklered Parking Garage > > Thanks Guys. > I do understand we are responsible to inspect the installed system as is. > However, if it is not in conformance with current Code requirements, I would > like to give the Owner the option to update it. > > Ken Haney > Certified Engineering Tech > Haney Fire Protection, Inc. > 610.217.0347 > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > From: tstone52--- via Sprinklerforum > <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 1:44 PM > To: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Unsprinklered Parking Garage > > To my knowledge that is not an inspection item per NFPA 25. You can ask the > owner after you have performed an NFPA 25 Inspection. > > Regards, > G. Tim Stone > > G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC > NICET Level III Engineering Technician > Fire Protection Sprinkler Design > and Consulting Services > > 117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452 > CELL: (802) 373-0638 TEL: (802) 434-2968 > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Ken > Haney via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 1:24 PM > To: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: Ken Haney <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Unsprinklered Parking Garage > > Hello All, > I am a first time participant, so please bear with me. We have a new > inspection customer in the State of NJ that has a fully sprinklered (6) story > office building with a standpipe in the stair tower. It sits on an > underground parking garage that has no standpipe or sprinkler protection. > Does anyone know if sprinklers and/or a standpipe are a Code requirement for > this situation? > Thanks, > > Ken Haney > Certified Engineering Tech > Haney Fire Protection, Inc. > 610.217.0347 > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > <image001.png> > > NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged > information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, > copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended > recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in > error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting > it from your computer. > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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