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Introduction: I am Renee Jenson. I have been politically involved most of my life (50+ years). I grew up where hwys 280 and 36 come together. technically that's Roseville but I always felt like I grew up in the "cities" because I spent all my time in either St. Paul or Minnneapolis because I was right on the border of both of them. I had a St. Paul address and a Midway telephone exchange (and telephone party). I've been an advocate for numerous causes in my lifetime. I haven't really been an advocate for the stadium (although I did try to conduct a brainstorming session on the stadium in this forum.) the only time I have been registered as a lobbyist was when I ran a non partisan group called RASSL (Repeal All Silly and Senseless Laws) which was trying to remove the bedroom laws so that the Criminal Code could be updated. Legislature wouldn't do it (or I should say Rich Stanek wouldn't touch them) Some people on this list were members of this wild group and we had lots of fun! I have never been paid for lobbying. But it has cost me a lot of time and $$$. I run my own business (consulting) and am not employed by the city, or any professional sport team in any capacity. Since I was trying to get some info from people on what they believed an ideal stadium would look like , I tried to keep list members focused on the question. If I had asked a question on what would be the ideal way for a stadium to be funded, then I would have gladly taken all the comments on funding. But that was not the question. I can't imagine too many people would say "I'd love to pay for the stadium out of my taxes". Isn't it amazing that the things we enumerated in our "wish list" for the ideal stadium plan are now part of the Mayor's overall plan. Tim said: >If I understand the argument correctly, Checks & >Balances speculates that Kelly might actually see the Stadium >drive as a bargaining >chip for another high profile "transportation" >project. Gee, I wonder if this could be the people movers and LRT that we were talking about on here a few weeks ago. I guess the papers should pay closer attention to us. Renee Jenson Como Mary Baker wrote: >Renee Jenson: >That's pretty funny of you to get onto someone about squelching >discussion on issues >you don't like. I remember you posting >repeatedly that people who were posting >about why we shouldn't >have a stadium were 1) off the topic you wanted to talk >about, 2) not >paying attention to your pie-in-the-sky, no-limits discussion of the >>ideal stadium and 3) just generally negative and bad sports. To me, >your message >was far more clear than the satire writer - >those who oppose the stadium should just SHUT UP. I didn't >appreciate it then and I >don't appreciate it now. >It's also very odd that you now seem perfectly able to recognize >basic tactics and >shut-down manuevers, though you acted oblivious >to your own use of them on the >stadium issue. "Let's talk about only >what you want!" >"Build your dream stadium!" "Envision the perfect place!" Etc. >Anyone who has >done any political work or has any communications >training knows you were using a >basic concept in sales - get a >person to envision something they like (that's called >the BAIT) and >then show them something you want them to buy (that's called the >>SWITCH). If you've made the bait yummy enough, a lot of people >won't notice. >So now that someone has done of a good job of making the bait >smell like the rotted >fish it is, you're complaining. That's politics for >you. >As long as we're talking about this, a friend of mine who reads this >list was >speculating that you must be a paid lobbyist for the stadium >issue or at least have >lobbyist experience. In the interest of full >disclosure, is any of that true? I >think it's possible for someone to be >articulate and underhanded about an issue they >support without ever >having been a professional lobbyist, but this recent spate of >>attempting to crush opposition by you seems quite the "standard >operating >procedure" for those in the business. >(and for the record, yes, I've served as a flunkie on a political >campaign and have >my own share of communications training - even >if I don't always put it to good use) >Mary Baker >East Side _____________________________________________ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/ _____________________________________________ For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract
