My solution is that all the traffic should go somewhere else. --David Shove Roseville
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, John Birrenbach wrote: > At 9:48 AM -0500 10/20/04, Chris Boylan wrote: > >I think Snelling is rated as a county highway > > W7th is A highway as well #5 :-) > > At 9:21 AM -0500 10/20/04, Tim Erickson wrote: > >From what I've heard, only a section of W7th has been restriped, the > >busiest portions remain two lanes in each direction (is this > >correct). > > > > I don't know that you can call the area that was re-striped as one of > the least used section of W7th. Certainly not as busy as the area > around Chestnut, but we do have plenty of Traffic on W7th (Much of it > diverted purposely from 35E). Sure near DT it's like Snelling and > 94, and to a lesser degree in the area that was re-striped. But > there are several things to really consider about the area re-striped. > > 1. The area is a MAJOR truck route. With no trucks allowed on 35E, > and the semi-industrial nature of the area of W7th we have lots and > lots of trucks. Now put on some limits on trucks on W7th and divert > them off onto Sheppard would be smart, but THAT didn't happen. > > 2. The area is an area that is for the majority has speed limits > ABOVE 30 mph. YES much of W7th St actually has speed limits of > 40mph. Only a very small portion (the area around the brewery) of > that which was re-striped was in a 30 mph zone, the rest is 35-40 mph > zones. > > >My own sense, as an amateur observer (without traffic statistics) is > >that W7th can handle the traffic, even reduced to one lane. I very > >much doubt that the same is true of Snelling. > > Well there are many sections of Snelling I can think of that could be > reduced to one lane. Particularly the area from Highland Highschool > all the way down to Grand Ave, maybe even as far as Selby. From my > casual observance of Snelling and comparing it to this section of > W7th they have much the same sorts of traffic patterns (ie heavy in > the morning and afternoon rushs, but slower the rest of the day). > > >I'm not convinced that the intention was really to divert traffic > >off of West 7th. > > Well that is what those that wanted it have stated was the purpose, > now your throwing conspiracy's around :-) ... But if we really > wanted to reduce the traffic and in particular the Heavy Trucks would > have been to put up inexpensive signs saying No Trucks, Local > Delivery only, and signs on 35 diverting Trucks to Sheppard rather > than up W7th (but then they can't get back to the freeway from > Sheppard can they without going through DT). Reduce the speedlimits > along all of W7th to 30 mph would have slowed alot of people from > using the road (that is why they like it, get off 35 at 7th st head > DT and you beat those on 35 during rush hour). > > See this is why people are nervous about all of this, we have already > been screwed over by "Traffic Experts" enough times already (35 E, > Redesign of Sheppard Road) not to mention the number of times the > City has told us "Don't Worry Be Happy, we are helping you" only to > have it backfire leaves anyone who has lived down here long enough to > be gun shy of any sorts of changes. Especially those that just > suddenly appear as if by magic. We like our neighborhood the way it > was when we moved in, that is why we moved here :-) > > >Any other ideas for streets that ought to be restriped? > > In my prior post I explained a number that could. Under the same > theory tossed out by the proponents of W 7th re-striping. > > 1. W7th could easily be re-striped all the way to Smith Ave, > probably even to Grand Ave and a few blocks further. > 2. Maryland both directions off of 35E > 3. E7th St from just North of DT up to Arcade > 4. Arcade from E7th St North I am not sure how far > 5. Many sections of University Ave.. Rice St to Dale or even > Hamline, from the otherside of Snelling all the way to the boarder > with Mpls > 6 Rice St from University Ave N to the RR tracks > 7. Much of Snelling Ave S > 8 All of Lexington Ave (especially north of University) > > Heck we could probably even do Randolph Ave from W7th all the way to > Snelling, Jefferson Ave (certainly the area from W7th all the way to > Lexington). > > I have had a chance to go all the way up and down the new stripped > area, and frankly it's pretty silly. There are HUGH sections where > there is no place to turn left and there is the Left Turn Lane. > > On the other hand of course if I want to hang a U-Turn in the middle > of the block so I can get to Dave's Gallery it's a whole lot easier > cause I got that middle lane. I have yet to take the time to try it > during the Rush Hour, when I suspect it's a nightmare. > > -- > Sincerely, > John Birrenbach > W 7th Neighborhood, St Paul MN > === Political & Business Consulting === > http://www.birrenbach.com/ > ====================================== > "Six years on the council has trained me to feign interest for long > periods of time" > Chris Coleman Jan 21, 2004 > +++++++++++++++ > _____________________________________________ > To Join: St. Paul Issues Forum Rules Discussion > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _____________________________________________ > NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul > > Archive Address: > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/ > _____________________________________________ To Join: St. Paul Issues Forum Rules Discussion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _____________________________________________ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/
