On Oct 14, 2008, at 8:01 AM, Francis Drouillard wrote:
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Michael Luscombe wrote:
>
>> On 13-Oct-08, at 8:19 PM, Francis Drouillard wrote:
>>
>>> But I still have these nagging you aren't willing to answer with a
>>> simple yes or no.
>> --
>> If it were a simple yes or no, then we'd be letting you run away with
>> "presumed facts", or lies, as they are commonly known.
>>> Did Obama have an association with Ayers?
>> --
>> Yes.
>>> Did Obama have an
>>> association with ACORN?
>> --
>> Yes.
>> [snip]
>> I honestly don't know where any of this is going.
>>
>> Michael
>
> Okay, we agree on some basic facts.
I seriously doubt that.
> Now try getting my opinion about why those facts are important before
> spouting off on the matter and telling me how wrong I am.
Nobody cares about your opinion, Drooly.
> Why do I think it's important?
Because your party says it's important.
> Many -- including me -- question why
> he'd associate with anyone with a past such as Mr. Ayers.
They sat on a board together, along with Republicans and current
McCain donors.
> No other candidate for president has associated with a unrepentant
> domestic
> terrorist, then tried to downplay that association.
There's nothing to downplay. If you actually read unbiased sources,
perhaps you'd finally "get" that. Ayers wasn't a fugitive at the time
who Obama helped via some "underground railroad" to elude the FBI, he
was a professor who's focus, and who's family's focus, was on education.
"Reading is fundamental." Ever heard that before?
> What did he get from that association?
He later got $200 from Ayers for his senate campaign. Gosh, I think
you're on something!
> Weren't any other like minded liberals available to advance his cause?
What cause is that?
> And, what did he accomplish at CAC? He handed out millions of dollars
> worth of grants. How did he make those choices? Was the money spent
> wisely? Were the supported programs effective? Answers to those
> questions address how Obama may govern in the future.
>
> Then there is ACORN. Looks like they're going to be at the forefront
> of voter fraud this time around. Why did the Obama campaign give them
> $800K?
Federal law prohibits ACORN, or anyone, from destroying voter
registration cards, even if they believe them to be fraudulent. ACORN
flags all suspicious cards, though they're not required to do so.
Obama supports ACORN because they are the largest community organizer
for low- and moderate-income families. Republicans don't like ACORN
because they help the poor.
> ACORN is also largely responsible for loosening credit standards at
> Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. What did Obama do for them in the past?
> (Besides suing banks that refused to lend to those that couldn't
> repay their loans.)
Shame on ACORN for trying to help low- to moderate-income families get
a home of their own!
I know your side hates poor people, but you can't blame the banking
mess on that, it's the lack of regulation that McCain (and others)
pushed, wrongly thinking nothing bad would come of it.
> This could become the October surprise, but only because the MSM made
> it so. In a build the man up then knock him down way. It may cost the
> Democrats the Whitehouse. It certainly denied Hillary the opportunity
> to get back there.
Real Clear Politics says Obama has enough electoral votes to win.
> You may recall, my biggest gripe this election season is the
> absolutely horrible performance of the press. You may not want to
> believe this, but McCain can still win. Then you will be griping
> about the performance of the press -- and you may have a good reason.
Here's some names for you:
Charles Keating
Carol McCain
Cindy McCain, pill popper
Joseph Bonnano
I don't imagine you'll have much to say about any of them.
-W
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