On Sep 18, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Francis Drouillard wrote:

> You're obfuscating now, mex. The topic wasn't elitism,

On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Francis Drouillard wrote:

"I don't know about Australia, but there certainly are elites in this country 
that  believe they know best for the rest of us."

> or allusion or whether PhDs are the problem (which, BTW, i never said).

On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Francis Drouillard wrote:

" In fact, I dare say that anyone with a PhD feels we should listen to them and 
that they should be in charge of something."

> It wasn't about consumerism. (I still don't know why you dragged that into 
> the discussion.)

On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Francis Drouillard wrote:

"it's the elites that feel they're entitled to consume voraciously. "

Jeebus Francis, are you so far gone into the Wingnut Vortex that you cannot 
remember your OWN WORDS from day to day?

You're the one drinking the Glenn Beck Kool-aid.

Claiming that prior to the revolution the Colonies were an "integrated society" 
is just insultingly stupid. A key event on this country's founding was the 
'Great Compromise' which granted Southern landowners political power in far 
excess of their numbers. Remember, it's in that Constitution that Glenny claims 
to hold so dear:

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States 
which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, 
which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, 
including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not 
taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

This gave the Southern States representation based on a large population who 
could not vote, who were regarded as livestock... It is *precisely* as if 
Wyoming, for example, were granted House seats based on the human population 
plus 3/5ths of all the cattle. 

Freed blacks were able to live in the open in many places of the North, at 
least they could until the passage of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Slave_Act_of_1850>

Again, a "Compromise" forced upon the country by the Southern states who owed a 
third to nearly half their seats in the House to the slaves living there. 

<http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/wahl.slavery.us>

> The racism promulgated by Democrats after the Civil War was quite shocking, 
> too.

Oh PULeeeze. The moment federal troops left and Reconstruction ended, the old 
slaveholding white power structure took control again, aided by a paramilitary 
terrorist organization founded by  a former general of the Confederacy. At the 
time there were two mainstream political parties in the US...do you HONESTLY 
think they were going to join the party of Lincoln???

And oddly, they ALL pretty much became Republicans within a few years of the 
passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
 
You *might* want to Google "southern strategy"...

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy>


-- 
Bruce Johnson

"Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai,  PhD

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