I agree. I'm really glad someone finally brought this up. Microsoft products make development a lot easier. All religious bias aside, I think most opensource advocates are pragmatically banking on opensource eventually becoming as easy to use as Microsoft stuff, but without the downsides of Microsoft software, like cost and vendor lock-in for example. Opensource products have just focused on functionality first, and ease of use second. I think the ease of use part won't really take off until a victor emerges from the functionality phase, and there are still a bunch of contenders competing for that title. Or maybe I'm wrong and folks just think GUI tools for building GUI apps are for sissies.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Elderclei R Reami [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Java Server Faces and Developer Life Comments > > > Hi, > > I've just finished my first Struts project, and it's been a > great experience on how to do and not to do things. This > list has been of great help, as well. > > Anyway, I have some comments to make. Please, don't flame me, > because it's just a view someone that needs > to be productive. > > I've developed a project some time ago using .Net framework > and Visual Studio. Wonderful experience, very very > much productive. Creation of a web interface is just a matter > of point and click. First impression: "that's what I > need for mass production, short 'sell, implement, bill' > cycles". Graphical components do keep state during calls, > integration is event-oriented, which makes it easy like > Visual Basic or Delphi traditional dev. Really easy to learn > and use. > > About Struts: hard to use, lack of good development tools, > but years light ahead of pure JSP development. Struts > has all the chances of being the way to go. It just needs to > be made easier to use, what means: GUI > development. I've seen some options: "Eclipse+EasyStruts", > StrutsBuilder, StrutsConsole - great tools, but none > of them really make GUI+Struts integration easy, they are > more like wizards, and need a lot of work yet. > > Even though, I'm passionate about Java, I need to recognize: > M$ really makes UI development a lot easier than > Sun/Java/Open Source Community. If you ever developed a VB > app and a Swing-based Java app, knows what I > mean. The point is: M$ approach is make it easy, our approach > is make it generic, and conceptually beautiful. M$ > approach is "sell it, do it fast with small costs, have more profit". > > I haven't read the entire JSF spec, but I've seen the > tutorial, and as far as I understand it, JSF does not make > programming UI interface much easier than Struts. > > Any comments? The matter is: I have a family, and want to get > home earlier, not 4:00AM. A lot of philosophy and > online psychoterapy for FRIDAY, but... :) > > Cheers, > Elderclei R Reami > Vertis Tecnologia > +55 11 3887-0835 > www.vertisnet.com.br > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
