Susan Bradeen wrote:

Thank you, Craig, for the umpteenth time for saying this. Why are so many people still talking about throwing in the Struts towel?! This is open source, is it not? Is it not the job of open source to keep ahead of the standards with great ideas that continue to make our jobs easier, more interesting, more fun, and going where no software has gone before? Is it not from open source that the "standards" are often based?

A historical note that supports what Susan (and Ted) are saying here.

During the planning for what became JSTL 1.0, I was advocating the inclusion of an expression language in whatever tags we came up with, because it's a key ease-of-use feature compared to the clunkiness of expressing functional logic in XML. The strongest piece of my argument: "Struts users who are used to the power of expression evaluation won't accept standard tags that don't have this functionality." :-)

Now, we've got EL expressions not only in tags that understand them, but (as of JSP 2.0) EL expressions work everywhere in your page -- even in template text. And the expectations of Struts users, setting the bar pretty high, had a lot to do with that.

Do we think that just because JSF is on its way into main stream that it will put an end to all we can possibly ask for as web developers? Has that ever been the case with the latest and greatest standard to come to the table? Have we not already heard of the great things the Struts developers have in mind for the future? If the new standards become all you need, then great! If not, then look to Struts and the Struts team for continuing to give you more. Thank you, Struts developers.

For myself (and I'm sure the other developers as well) you're definitely more than welcome. It has been an astonishing three years, and there's lots more fun and interesting stuff to be done.

Susan Bradeen

Craig



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