Chen, Gin wrote: > alternative to the integrated Struts Bean/Logic functionality.
The original Struts taglibs are *NOT* integrated with the Struts controller. The Struts controller has absolutely no idea that these tags exist. Struts works just as well (or even better) with JSTL, or JSF, or Velocity Tools, or the Stxx XML tools, and whatever else may be out there. At the present time, the original Struts taglibs are simply *bundled* with the core distribution. These classes could be pulled out of the JAR at any time, and the controller would not know the difference.
-Ted.
Chen, Gin wrote:
See.. Anyone reason that this should be kept public is to correct our understanding of what JSF is really about. ;) With the talks of JSF and it's UI/Action like capabilities it is no wonder that we think of it as a possible alternative to Struts. To use it with Struts seems to me as saying that you are using only part of the functionality of JSF. Just like your using part of the functionality of Struts if you use JSTL instead of Bean/Logic tags currently. While it is probably a better solution than the Bean/Logic tags, JSTL is still just and alternative to the integrated Struts Bean/Logic functionality.
-Tim
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From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:41 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces
Chen, Gin wrote:
Since JSF is *supposed* to replace Struts, so to speak,
This statement is *not* a correct understanding of what is happening! Anyone who claims that doesn't get it.
You should absolutely, positively plan on evaluating the use of JavaServer Faces components instead of the Struts HTML tags, and the JSTL tags instead of the corresponding bean and logic tags. Besides being standadized (which means, for example, that you can import and use *anyone's* JavaServer Faces tags, not be stuck with ones that are provided only by Struts), they are more powerful and more functional -- and they work fine in conjunction with Struts based applications.
That has nothing to do with whether or not you need the other features of Struts (the core controller mechanisms, plugins, Tiles, Validator, ...) -- which can be used just fine with JavaServer Faces components as well. There is a functionality overlap in the core controller role, and for some people JavaServer Faces will be sufficient by itself. But it's our job as Struts developers to ensure that the gap continues to exist and increases; there's a lot of things required to build good web apps that are not UI components or tags, and are therefore outside the scope of JavaServer Faces and JSTL.
Craig McClanahan
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