Sincere apologies, Tim. I absolutely meant no offense personally to you (and I should have said that). I was speaking in a general sense to previous posts on the list. As a matter of fact, your wording of "Since JSF is *supposed* to replace Struts, so to speak,", gave me the impression that you don't feel this to be true either. Sorry about that.
Susan On 10/13/2003 09:04:53 AM "Chen, Gin" wrote: > Susan. Maybe I didn't word what I said correctly but when did I mention > anything about 'throwing ni the Struts towel'? > I am more than appreciative of what Struts has offered as anyone that knows > me would know (why don't you look up my past posts?) I am simply talking > about the 'moving to something bigger and badder' mentality of software > developers. Just has we have 'moved' from COBOL <insert shudder here>, > Smalltalk or C++ or whatever your background to Java. It does not mean that > we have forgotten or even have stopped using the other languages. And it > sure as he|| doesn't mean that we don't have respect for the past. > -Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Bradeen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:08 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces > > > Thank you, Craig, for the umpteenth time for saying this. Why are so many > people still talking about throwing in the Struts towel?! This is open > source, is it not? Is it not the job of open source to keep ahead of the > standards with great ideas that continue to make our jobs easier, more > interesting, more fun, and going where no software has gone before? Is it > not from open source that the "standards" are often based? Do we think > that just because JSF is on its way into main stream that it will put an > end to all we can possibly ask for as web developers? Has that ever been > the case with the latest and greatest standard to come to the table? Have > we not already heard of the great things the Struts developers have in > mind for the future? If the new standards become all you need, then great! > If not, then look to Struts and the Struts team for continuing to give you > more. Thank you, Struts developers. > > Susan Bradeen > > On 10/10/2003 02:40:32 PM "Craig R. McClanahan" wrote: > > > Chen, Gin wrote: > > > > >Since JSF is *supposed* to replace Struts, so to speak, > > > > > > > This statement is *not* a correct understanding of what is happening! > > Anyone who claims that doesn't get it. > > > > You should absolutely, positively plan on evaluating the use of > > JavaServer Faces components instead of the Struts HTML tags, and the > > JSTL tags instead of the corresponding bean and logic tags. Besides > > being standadized (which means, for example, that you can import and use > > *anyone's* JavaServer Faces tags, not be stuck with ones that are > > provided only by Struts), they are more powerful and more functional -- > > and they work fine in conjunction with Struts based applications. > > > > That has nothing to do with whether or not you need the other features > > of Struts (the core controller mechanisms, plugins, Tiles, Validator, > > ...) -- which can be used just fine with JavaServer Faces components as > > well. There is a functionality overlap in the core controller role, and > > for some people JavaServer Faces will be sufficient by itself. But it's > > our job as Struts developers to ensure that the gap continues to exist > > and increases; there's a lot of things required to build good web apps > > that are not UI components or tags, and are therefore outside the scope > > of JavaServer Faces and JSTL. > > > > Craig McClanahan > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
