Susan. Maybe I didn't word what I said correctly but when did I mention anything about 'throwing ni the Struts towel'? I am more than appreciative of what Struts has offered as anyone that knows me would know (why don't you look up my past posts?) I am simply talking about the 'moving to something bigger and badder' mentality of software developers. Just has we have 'moved' from COBOL <insert shudder here>, Smalltalk or C++ or whatever your background to Java. It does not mean that we have forgotten or even have stopped using the other languages. And it sure as he|| doesn't mean that we don't have respect for the past. -Tim
-----Original Message----- From: Susan Bradeen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JavaServer Faces Thank you, Craig, for the umpteenth time for saying this. Why are so many people still talking about throwing in the Struts towel?! This is open source, is it not? Is it not the job of open source to keep ahead of the standards with great ideas that continue to make our jobs easier, more interesting, more fun, and going where no software has gone before? Is it not from open source that the "standards" are often based? Do we think that just because JSF is on its way into main stream that it will put an end to all we can possibly ask for as web developers? Has that ever been the case with the latest and greatest standard to come to the table? Have we not already heard of the great things the Struts developers have in mind for the future? If the new standards become all you need, then great! If not, then look to Struts and the Struts team for continuing to give you more. Thank you, Struts developers. Susan Bradeen On 10/10/2003 02:40:32 PM "Craig R. McClanahan" wrote: > Chen, Gin wrote: > > >Since JSF is *supposed* to replace Struts, so to speak, > > > > This statement is *not* a correct understanding of what is happening! > Anyone who claims that doesn't get it. > > You should absolutely, positively plan on evaluating the use of > JavaServer Faces components instead of the Struts HTML tags, and the > JSTL tags instead of the corresponding bean and logic tags. Besides > being standadized (which means, for example, that you can import and use > *anyone's* JavaServer Faces tags, not be stuck with ones that are > provided only by Struts), they are more powerful and more functional -- > and they work fine in conjunction with Struts based applications. > > That has nothing to do with whether or not you need the other features > of Struts (the core controller mechanisms, plugins, Tiles, Validator, > ...) -- which can be used just fine with JavaServer Faces components as > well. There is a functionality overlap in the core controller role, and > for some people JavaServer Faces will be sufficient by itself. But it's > our job as Struts developers to ensure that the gap continues to exist > and increases; there's a lot of things required to build good web apps > that are not UI components or tags, and are therefore outside the scope > of JavaServer Faces and JSTL. > > Craig McClanahan > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
