On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node
information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less
than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but
that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a
connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each other.
Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one
shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption?"

Yup...pretty much. That's why so many people refuse to switch to 0.7
until there's a working opennet. I'm one of them. With an opennet, you
connect to anyone who's online, with multiple connections. Don't have
to trade references and you get a lot more connections with no effort.

What will you do when freenet is made illegal and all the nodes are
being harvested and blocked by a national firewall? Then the whole
network fall apart, this can not happen with a darknet if it's done
right. To take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick
them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts
are part of it.

It's a lot easier, cheaper and faster to take down an opennet than a darknet.

Not totally sure about the 'if the one node linking them dies you lose
all that data' part...seems like that's how it'd be handled, but I
haven't looked into 0.7 too much...because it has no opennet, so I
have no use for it.

On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What about a pipe to the 0.5 freenet from 0.7 that allows access to the
> data? A 1-way street. 0.7 can add  data to the 0.7 freenet, but can and to
> the 0.5 freenet. Only access the data. From what I have gathered,
> 'inserting' data into freenet is not a quick task.
>
> As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node
> information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less
> than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but
> that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a
> connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each other.
> Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one
> shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption?
>
>
>
>
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org
> >To: support@freenetproject.org
> >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:01:46 -0400
> >
> >Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens
> >to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main
> >network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is
> >setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to
> >everyone else. Pretty much, there's nowhere for the content to go.
> >It'd be like trying to move everything on the internet to your local
> >LAN.
> >That, and it's just a complete program re-write I believe. It's quite
> >easy to 'convert' the content...open a page, save it, and then
> >re-upload it. The data stores work differently, and anyways the data
> >is distributed, so there wouldn't be any easy way to move it over.
> >
> >On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>I've got a question for the developers.
> >>
> >>First a couple of comments.
> >>
> >>I've been watching the thread 0.5 vs 0.7, and although you want to move it
> >>somewhere else I welcome it.
> >>
> >>I brought up 0.7 about 5 days ago. It's been running ever since, I think.
> >>I
> >>don't monitor the PC that it is on, but I do see activity on the router
> >>port
> >>for the PC. I didn't much like the idea of asking people to let me access
> >>Freenet through them, but I did. I still think that is a good idea to gain
> >>initial access to Freenet, but after that it should go find other nodes
> >>and
> >>establish connections to them. I shouldn't have to always rely on the ones
> >>that were on IRC chat at the time I decided to set up the application.
> >>
> >>That said, here is by question.
> >>
> >> >From what I've seen here, there is a huge base of Freenet users on 0.5,
> >>and
> >>a large amount of content. What I fail to understand is why going to
> >>version
> >>0.7 all of that userbase and content was dropped. Why there was no way to
> >>connect to that Freenet and have access to the users and the content. I've
> >>tried to think of an example of some other internet application that made
> >>such a radical change that the entire existing base was dropped, and quite
> >>frankly I can't come up with one. I've seen application for my PC change
> >>so
> >>radically the data from the old application had to be converted before it
> >>would work, but a migration path was always provided. Developers, why did
> >>you do that?
> >>
> >>I'm new to the Freenet community, and I find it incredulous that years of
> >>effort involved with building the Freenet community was abandoned
> >>completely. What you have created is a 0.5 and a 0.7 Freenet; both will
> >>exist into the future. Just as many security conscious people quit
> >>upgrading
> >>PGP after 6.52 because source code was no longer readily available, many
> >>people will quit upgrading Freenet after 0.5. The difference is with PGP a
> >>file encrypted with 6.52 can be read by the newer versions. Freenet has
> >>isolated all of it's previous userbase and content.
> >>
> >>There is a saying, "Throwing out the baby with the bath water." You have
> >>done just that.
> >>
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