Now I'm not picking on Hammer here, but I just noticed this thread...
hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> Now, there is this far-away correspondent/friend of mine who says he
> doesn't know and cannot find how to suppress his M$-mailer's diarrhea.
Which MS Mailer is he using? Outlook 98, Outlook Express?
And if he hates it so much, why? There are certainly others! Of course, most
DO have similar features. Netscape certainly does, even under Linux. Outlook
doesn't default to plain-ASCII, but either version of Outlook can do the
same if set properly. Then of course we're biased against non-English
speaking peoples, but hey...
> As my own setup is almost completely M$-free, I have no way to tell
> him anything but RTFM - but I suspect it's even more difficult than
> that, kind of an almost hidden and uncomfortable procedure to make it
> especially cumbersome.
Oh yes. If you're using MS Outlook, you have to:
1. Open the Tools menu
2. Select Options
3. Click on the Send tab
4. Uncheck Include Message in Reply
Under Outlook 98, it's:
1. Open the Tools menu
2. Select Options
3. Click on the Preferences tab
4. Click on E-Mail options
5. Tell it what to do with when replying (there are drop-boxes with various
options)
Of course, the problem is that he probably wants *SOME* of the message
quoted, but not all of it. So I suppose MS is guilty of not knowing what
exactly the user wants quoted. And they should at least make it all fit in
1MB of RAM on my 286. Bastards!
He can also eliminate HTML and RTF overhead by using the Format->Plain Text
option using Outlook Express, even if he wants it as the default.
> One stupid nastiness of this M$ware seems that apparently people using
> these mailers even cannot *see* the whole of what they send out in fact.
Yeah, they usually have to hit the [Page Down] key or something. Incredible!
> Could someone who has one of the M$-mailers give a precise step-by-step
> description of how to cut off this reply-attaching ?
Too late. It's on the list. Goddam Microsoft again, no doubt.
> (Please count
> even the number of "clicks" it would need; could be quite instructive.)
> (and perhaps mail it off-list)
4 - and a clue.
> Some rough calculation: [...] this means 11 million minutes metered(*)
> and paid telco/ISP connection time each day, or about 0.6 million US$
> per day *additional* telco fees cashed in daily; just for built-in
> trash.
How's that compare to the amount of porno and get-rich-quick schemes going
around? The problem is more abuse of e-mail than any particular mailer...
and it sounds like you've assumed Microsoft makes the only mail user agents
these days. Or am I the only one that gets a dozen or so "really great"
jokes forwarded to them each day?
> Anyone wonders about them telcos getting so $$$ fattened ?
Goddam Microsoft! They must part of the conspiracy!
> Half of that is is the mail receivers' money, and they cannot do
> anything against it. I'd call that waylay.
Well, your e-mail got sent clear around the world for only the cost of
downloading it. Not a bad bargain. If it bugs you, pick up the ol' phone and
CALL! Me? I'm using e-mail to save money (among other things). You can
always NOT use mail if it really bugs you! And control how far your address
gets spread. Use one of the MANY free public mailers for general use
(MICROSOFT EVEN HAS ONE, though no doubt the recent security problems are
part of their conspiracy!), and give your "true name" to only those you
trust. Spam is far more of a problem for me than individual mesages, or the
few mailing lists I frequent.
I could see griping about MS not asking (or at least giving an option) for
not prompting whether or not to quote replies. And I also find HTML and RTF
mail annoying. I also realize that there are people who WANT this stuff, and
feel a need to "personalize" messages, and that they're the one's MS is
trying to please. But I think it's a far leap to dump yet another global
issue issue on Microsoft. And to think the telcos -- which built their
networks expecting a call to last 10 minutes and not several hours -- is
part of it is really pushing things.
Quoting and excessive quoting has been an issue since at LEAST 1987 in my
experience (no doubt earlier) and the newusers newsgroups even include
cautions about not quoting excessively. Perhaps those would be a good place
for your friend to start. Then he'd know what keywords to search on in help
(1 keystroke - [F1]).
- Bob
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