On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 18:23, Charles Angelich wrote:
> [...]
> My 'take' on this is that users of new/newer already have MANY forums
> they can use to chat about their latest aquisition.  They don't need
> one more here on SURVPC.

"don't need"? Now who's speaking for the group? It was a link to
information, not a direct attack.

> [...]
> It's also my opinion and why presume to represent the 'others'?  They can
> speak (type?) for themselves.  One man, one vote and I count you as ONE.

You're the one trying to silence people engagin in on-topic discussion.
Steven seems to do it as well. See above.

> [...]
> This is a definition you've been trying to introduce but I don't think
> that phrase exists in any of the 'official' documentation, webpage, etc.

It's a definition that dates back to the origins of the group, on
e-groups etc LONG before you joined. There's still a dedicated to it the
list there: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/survpc/ and a more current
page at: http://survpc.virtualave.net/

BOTH include the following:

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Appropriate topics include but are not limited to:

* Older PC: IBM PC and compatibles; PC/XT 8086, 8088, XT/AT 80286,
80386, and 80486.
* Low resource PC: Earlier Pentiums and above with insufficient memory
and/or hard drive space.
* DOS internet: Any DOS-based internet clients -- So far this is the
most efficient way for "true survivor PC's" (8088 8086 80186 80286) to
access the internet.

Also related operating systems (i.e. DOS variants, tiny Linuxes),
operating environments (i.e. Windows 3.x, GEOS/New Deal), software (in
general), hardware, pheripherals, troubleshooting, tip & tricks, issues,
etc.
--- cut here --- cut here ---

To the best of my knowledge, that has not changed, despite insistence by
some that topics should be restricted to XT-class machines, DOS and
other topic they favor. What in my posting was outside of that scope?

> As I've said, those with newer hardware and software have more than enough
> opportunities to chat about it elsewhere.  If a person with newer equipement
> wants to play 'big frog in a smaller pond' they should play elsewhere.

Discussions of hardware are specifically on-topic. Nobody's suggesting a
maxed out gaming machine is required to do wordprocessing. It was a
posting about 4MB SIMMS for old 386 and 486 motherboards.

>  [...]
> Steven was the person (the only person?) to mention a need for such
> memory recently.

But hardly the only one with such interests. I agree that old 386 and
486 systems are of value, and posted a link that might be of interest to
others of like mind.

> It is only logical to think that your reply was
> directed to his mentioning his need.  Under the circumstances, yes
> it would make more sense that it be convenient to HIS geographical
> location.

Logic would dictate that if I had meant the information solely for any
individual, I would have emailed them directly. If I had meant the
information solely as a response to Steven, I would have responded in
that thread. As it is, I posted a link for anyone reading the list who
might be interested in upgrading their older PC. That is sort of the
idea of these lists. And unless someone's keeping a list of shipping
costs to where each user lives, I don't think it's out-of-line to post
information on sources for information or products that might be of
interest. If I recall correctly, Heimo posted that he'd ordered CF
products from the US, despite the (apparently overwhelming) handicap of
HAVING TO PAY POSTAGE to his residence.

Has anyone bothered to verify that postage would actually be that high?

> [...]
> Something of a reversal here.  You have a tendency to write as though
> you represent the majority and, in that way, to behave as though you
> "own the list".

The list isn't about any one persons' interests or spin. While you and I
definitely disagree on most things, I'm not telling YOU to stop posting
or modify what you post, nor qualify it in any way.

> [...]
> Your recommendation by a committee of one is rejected by THIS
> committee of one as uncalled for and out of order.

I'll agree about the committee of one being out of order.

- Bob

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