I don't think that's a valid arguement against buses anyway, most places 
have long-term bus passes you
can buy, or are given to you by school, welfare, jobfare, etc. They aren't that 
much, if you had any
interest in regular bus use, of course you'd buy one, then it makes no 
difference if you're going 3 blocks
or 100. But if it's only 3 blks, why not walk anyway? 


On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 05:09:33PM -0800, Rawls Moore wrote:
> I am sorry to hear about the poor bus system Greg.  I live in Portland, OR
> and the bus system here is great.  I take the bus to school, work, play, and
> everything inbetween.  The bus system seems to run on time + or - 5 minutes
> at the most.  The main problem here, in my opinion, is that the
> transportation system doesn't use any type of biofuel and honestly doesn't
> seem that interested.  I used to live in CO and some of the local buses ran
> off of ethanol atleast.  They even had a bus that went to many of the ski
> resorts on the weekend. In college we used to fight for the passes and the
> bus system couldn't keep up with the demand.
> 
> I live outside the city so I like the fact that bus system doesn't charge on
> mileage(!) but I agree that to many it seems like a pain to pay a dollar to
> head up to the store.  I don't know if it is true or not, but my dad used to
> tell me that to run a car (on top of the subsidized price we pay for gas and
> the environmental damage it does) it costs around $1 to $2 a mile to run on
> upkeep and insurance.  If this is the case, then buses could be cheaper, we
> just don't realize it.
> 
> In the end though, if buses aren't reliable then people wont use them.
> 
> -rawls
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________________________________________
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:21 AM
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens, pitting
> conservationists against soccer moms
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Morgan" <
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 09:00
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens, pitting
> conservationists against soccer moms
> 
> 
> > It seems to me if a person wanted to cut fuel use all they would have to
> > do is change the system of public transport.  Instead of charging a set
> > amount for city busses, charge a nickel between numbered mile stops.  A
> > person is more likely to run for bread in a bus for ten cents than get
> > clipped for a buck or more for a short distance.  Wouldn't it be better
> > to have a thousand full busses going everywhere in a town than 25,000
> > cars covering the same places with constant engine starts between
> > points.  Of course it wouldn't hurt to run the busses every five to ten
> > minutes apart instead of  every twenty or whatever.
> >
> Yea, they run about once every 45 min to an hour here, and even then they
> don't make any garentees about time and service.   One time I needed the bus
> to get to an interview across town, twenty min. if I had my car, I left 2
> hrs early, half way thru, the ride, had to switch to a cab because with 30
> min left, I was barley halfway to were I needed to be. I then took the bus
> back to the interview, and it took 3 hrs. to get home, and this is a small
> town.
> 
> I'll never ride a bus again if I have a choice.
> 
> Greg H.
> 
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