Hi Keith,
At 12:51 PM 12/27/2002 +0900, you wrote: >Fish-farming/aquaculture can be both benign and beneficial, or, it >can be wasteful, polluting, and destructive. A bit like livestock >farming. It's quite difficult to find anything good about >industrialized fish-farming, as with animals. Heavily chemicalized, >highly polluting, extremely wasteful of ocean resources (and >encouraging unsustainable fishing practices). It is very difficult to find the good things in almost all human activities, but we have to try. > >"Aquaculture is now the source of 27% of seafood consumed by people > >worldwide, since more than a quarter of wild fish harvests are used > >in animal feed." > > > >"The Worldwatch Institute says it takes about five grams of fish > >protein -- converted into fishmeal -- to make a gram of farmed fish > >protein." > > > > >'Bycatch' -- the collateral damage of industrialised fishing: I think that I prefer industrialized farming than industrialized hunting. Because pillage of natural resources is the worst and definitely not sustainable. The problem is that we must get it right. > > >"Around the world, each year, 44 billion pounds of fish plus > > >hundreds of thousands of other marine animals are thrown overboard, > > >dead and dying." Twenty-five percent of the entire world catch is > > >wasted this way. Very good efficiency, compared with fossil energy resources, where we waste more than 75%. >And with a poor-quality product. Like heating air, SUVs etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc............................. >Or there's this: > >http://journeytoforever.org/farm_pond.html >Aquaculture for small farmers Very informative page, did not really look through it before. You have so much valuable and interesting information on your site. >And I guess quite a lot somewhere in between the two. > >Best > >Keith Greetings Hakan > >Hi Kirk, > > > >Yes, I saw some investigations about that too. I did not want to > >go into all kind of fishes, but if that is the case I agree with you. > >Salmon spend however a very short part of their life in sweet water, > >normally they are roaming the oceans and travel all over the world. > >I do not think that they are effected and birth control pills are not > >used by a majority of the worlds population. > > > >At least in Europe the have pellets made of waste from fish > >processing plants, I can even buy them as dog food. Color shrimp, > >what is that? the normal shrimps are nearly transparent until you > >cook them. I have seen large shrimps with color but they are rare > >and very expensive. > > > >Bad practises exist everywhere but what I have seen from the > >Salmon farming industry it is generally quite good. A lot of the > >farmed Salmon in US comes from Island and Norway anyway, it > >is their biggest market. So if you are worried, look at the label. > > > >But you are right, it is reasons to think at least two times before > >you eat sweet water fish. Scandinavia is maybe the only exception, > >since they really managed to get back their clean water. Heard that > >Canada is quite good also. Spain where I live is not and one renewal > >cycle of the water in the Mediterranean .takes 80 years. Similar to > >the Baltic sea, which not until recently showed improvements in its > >Northern part, further south we still suffer from Russia and the > >former Soviet states. > > > >Hakan > > > > > >At 07:18 PM 12/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > >Female hormone level in some streams is affecting the fish -- there was a > > >story recently about this in GB. > > >Hormone is in waste water, from birth control pills. I was surprised fish > > >react to mammal hormones. > > > > > >As for ocean fish and color shrimp are not fed to farmed fish. They > are fed > > >pellets and I know for a time they contained slaughter house waste. > You know > > >flamingoes are not pink unless they get crustaceans from brackish > > >environment. > > >Fish are probably a similar process. > > > > > >Kirk > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 7:00 PM > > >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: industrial livestock husbandry was: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: > > >[biofuel] toxins in this season U.S. corn > > > > > > > > > > > >Sorry James, > > > > > >The Swiss does not have salmon any longer, cannot survive on the rivers > > >through Germany, Italy and France. They do have sweet water Trout. Sweden > > >have now a lot of Salmon and also farmed Salmon. I do not know if > Steelhead > > >is a common salmon or a relative in the same way as I described or it > could > > >even be the name I did not know. > > > > > >Farming does effect the fish quality, mainly because of the lack of muscle > > >building. Do effect the taste in the same way as farmed pigs and wild. The > > >sick fish you refer to, could have been the pest that was going > through the > > >industry around 10-15 years ago. They had to slaughter all farmed fish in > > >Scandinavia and I believe US also, it took a while before they could start > > >again and especially to get the larger size Salmons. > > > > > >They slaughtered the fish in fish farms to protect the wild population > from > > >getting the bug. I have never heard about antibiotics used in fish > farming. > > >In cattle farming I know of the extremely irresponsible use of antibiotics > > >and I think that it is some countries that even give them hormones, a > > >practice not allowed in Europe. At least in Europe they are trying to > > >maintain the difference between human sexes and not try to indirectly feed > > >the population with female hormones. I know that US is all for equality, > > >but to achieve this by hormones might be too excessive. Maybe women lib. > > >organizations are behind it? > > > > > >Hakan > > > > > >At 05:14 PM 12/26/2002 -0800, you wrote: > > > >Hakan, > > > > > > > >Just as the US goes over the top on most everything, the fish > industry is > > > >just another excess. I have heard of some genetic degradation in the > > > >farmed Salmon population due to not enough wild introduction. This has > > > >caused sick undersized fish which then need antibotics, extra > helpings of > > > >protien, and such. This just leads to more of the same thing we see in > > > >the cattle industries. Short cuts and greed causing major environmental > > > >and biological issues. There has also been some noted changes in the > > > >enviromental impact of fish farms especially in the latin countries > where > > > >there are even less controls than here. Water levels contain more waste > > > >than should be which impact other aquatic species. I applaud the > Swiss in > > > >their management of such industries, as they do across the board, but in > > > >the US it is a different beast altogether. > > > > > > > >On the note of flesh colour, I believe that open ocean (especially cold > > > >ocean water) causes the flesh to be red, as steelhead also have that > color > > > >(and flavour). Something about an oxygen rich environ comes to mind. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
