served me was to confirm stuff I had picked up along the way.
Just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean that they are not after you
:)
Luc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Greg Harbican" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:46 AM
Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
Hallo Greg,
Thursday, 21 October, 2004, 20:10:26, you wrote:
I spent 8 years in the military. I was a "spook" and worked
at an NSA/NSG (No Such Agency/Naval Security Group) command in the
operations section. I am still in daily contact with many former,
retired and current members of the intel community many of whom are my
friends as well as colleagues. Over the years I have also worked
with other spooks from all the military services as well as the
CIA/DIA. I am not unfamiliar with the day to day nuts and bolts
operations within that very small community.
GH> ----- Original Message -----
GH> From: "Friedrich Friesinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GH> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GH> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 17:00
GH> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
I wonder why nobody talks about that 9/11 hapened at GWB's wach !!!
Fritz
GH> Maybe because it was planned, organized, and rehearsed on Clinton's
watch.
GH> That's right, the "pilots" were undergoing the 2+ yrs of flight
training
GH> while Clinton was in office. Did I forget to add that Clinton cut
the
GH> intelligent budgets, back to the point that human gathered
intelligence was
GH> cut back to the point that it was virtually nonexistent, opting to
rely on
GH> satellite gathered intelligence? What about the fact that it was
planned
GH> by a man, that the US had 3 chances to have arrested and be delivered
to the
GH> US, for trial on other charges, had Clinton accepted on anyone of
those 3
GH> times.
Somehow people have the mistaken notion that all problems can be fixed
by throwing money at them. Had Clinton expanded the intel budget ten
fold it would not have made a whit of difference. In the middle east
it is extremely difficult to get on-the-ground human intel resources.
Next to impossible. Money would have made no difference whatsoever.
How much money are the lives of oneself and ones family worth? And,
who wants to help the patron of the Zionist cause even against the
Iraqi dictator? One needs to understand the geopolitical thoughts and
attitudes of folks before making decisions about what has happened and
the why's and wherefore's of the events. Money was NEVER the problem.
GH> Someone pointed out a news a story about how over 100,000 hrs of audio
tape
GH> intelligence ( gathered from the satellites that Clinton loved ) from
before
GH> the 9/11, has yet to be translated, and somehow it was Bushes fault
( How
GH> much of this is from before Bush took Office? Just as a guess, I would
say
GH> most of it, that much just doesn't come in over night. ). That is
over 11
GH> years worth of translating for 1 person, if they did nothing else with
their
GH> lives - or 2,500 40 hr work weeks. Let's do the math, Bush was in
office
GH> 9 months, and 11 years worth of audio tape needed to be translated,
and this
GH> was to be done in less than 4 years? No Way!
GH> Clinton had 8 years of various terrorist attacks against US targets
overseas
GH> and he didn't make it a priority to find out exactly who was doing
what????
GH> Clinton didn't make a priority of having audio intelligence translated
GH> faster, if he had allocated funds for 25 translators, he would have
known
GH> who was doing what and could have it taken care of in less than 3
years.
GH> Greg H.
When working an intel billet whether civilian or military the first
thing one learns is to look at the raw data with eyes which are
detached from ones own personal political/religious/cultural bias. If
one fails to do that then no matter how good the intel the analysis
will be flawed and may cause unforseen damage to the interests of ones
country. Intelligence collection and analysis must be neutral in
order to be correctly and effectively used.
The long and short of the 11 years of untranslated tapes is that they
were not the problem. The administration from Bush on down had all
the hard intel they needed but they ignored that because they were
using bad, marginal and false intel to further their own partisan
political agenda and not for the interests of either our country or
that of either Afghanistan or Iraq.
The neocons, all Zionists to a person and none of whom have served in
the military, were in a position to run all intelligence through the
office of Doug Feith, another neocon, and what was publicly reported
was picked and chosen according to the aims of the neocons. This is
the first time in the history of the US intelligence services that
such a thing has ever happened on such a scale. What is even more
startling and disturbing is that not only the American public and the
world were being propagandized by this kabal, but the defense
establishment was also subjected to this. GIGO-Garbage In Garbage
Out.
Bush absolutely knew that bin Laden was planning an attack on the US
and that he planned to use aircraft to do so. Bush was not interested
in that. What he was interested in was regime change in Iraq and his
cronies tailored the intel to those ends. We were being primed from
before 9/11 for what is going on at this moment. Get this straight
friend. Bush was not interested in Iraqi WMD because he knew there
were none, he was not interested in liberating the Iraqi people from a
brutal dictator and he is not interested in stability in the region.
Stability in the region would undermine the neocon agenda.
What Bush has done is criminal and absolutely evil. He has sent young
men and women into harms way for no good reason and has them killing
the Iraqi's for no good reason. This whole mess is for nothing more
than partisan political gain. His administration has falsified and
misused intelligence and then when caught in the act he denies what he
has done and keeps switching reasons for those actions. The blood of
our service men and women and those countless Iraqis is directly on
his hands and the hands of his neocon running mates.
This absolutely sickens me, but what galls me is that after outright
lying to the American public, defense establishment and the world he
has blamed this whole mess on "bad intelligence". The technical term
for that kind of lie is "horseshit". Every one of us who has ever
served in the intel commuity has signed a non-disclosure agreement and
we are unable, if we have any sense of honor at all, to disclose what
we know and are thereby unable to defend ourselves against this base
kind of slander. If we lack the honor to keep our countries secrets
there is still the threat of harsh punishment including fines and
imprisonment hanging over our heads not to mention the fact that we
will be called traitors as well. Bush knows this and uses it to his
advantage. Notice how Tenet fell on his sword.
No matter how many changes the government makes in the structure of
the intelligence community and how much money they throw at the
"problem" nothing will change as long as our leaders are allowed to
misuse the intel by lying, falsifying, withholding and misusing the
data. That is the simple truth. And brother, if you want to see
flip-flops then just watch Bush's mouth when he gives the "reasons"
for why we attacked and invaded Iraq. The axis of evil resides in
Washington, D.C. right now and the actions of this neocon kabal are
inexcuseable.
I may be apolitical but I am neither un- or under-informed nor naive
nor inexperienced. Despite what one sees on TV in the news and on the
weekly series that is not how the intelligence community functions.
Most people just don't have a real clue because in all honesty they
are not supposed to. Our motto is "In God We Trust. All Others We
Monitor". I suppose all the other intel outfits have picked it up from
NSA/NSG but it is a truism. I began monitoring in 1963 and have not
stopped. In order to have a good and proper analysis of the data you
need as much data as possible from as many sources as possible and
then it must be analyzed WITHOUT PREJUDICE OR PARTISAN VIEWS. To use
the data in any other way will give you a skewed and incorrect and
dangerous analysis and is a misuse of the intel.
And now for the disclaimer. I am no longer formally associated with
the intelligence community and am not "in" on any current intel. The
views presented here are strictly my own from my own experience and
have been as accurately presented as possible. My "sources" are
available to anyone in the public who cares to take the trouble to dig
and come from no official source. No classified material has been
disclosed to me or by me. Everything I have said can be verified by
public record somewhere. And, yes, I am a trifle paranoid.
Happy Happy,
Gustl
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Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.
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without signposts.
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da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewšhnlichen Welt nicht
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.
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His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
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