Bob,
I'm at a bit of a loss with this one. Don't suppose you would care to
qualify your opinion with something more than "quack, quack" would
you? As I recall the last time I visited the aspartame issue
(researched it for several weeks, up one side and down the other) the
problems and concerns were very real. Aspartame hasn't changed. Human
biology hasn't changed.
Neither human biology nor the scientific standards of proof. Let me
say first that I don't use aspertame, don't promote its use, or even
think it has value in our society, oh and I don't hold any stock in or
have any connection with the product. That having been said, the facts
are simple . there is no scientific evidence which shows harm in the
normal use of this product, with the single exception of infants
diagnosed with PKU. Asking me to prove it does no harm is well nigh
impossible. (the old proving a negative problem)
Todd, you said you investigated the issue. What are your findings.
Shouldn't the onus be on evidence of harm? What did you find, beyond
testimonials and feeble speculation? Animal studies, well controlled
laboratory results, Double blind trials? Where is the evidence?
And I don't mean things like "aspertame contains methanol, methanol is
poisonous, therefore Aspertame is poisonous". Or "the body is not used
to amino acids". I have seen these arguments way too many times. Give
me studies in per reviewed journals, and I will give a look see and let
you know of my conclusions.
We both know that just because something has found its way onto the
shelf and been assigned a status of "below regulatory concern" by a
very biased institutional process that doesn't somehow make reality
disappear.
Something a little more "concrete" from someone other than Donald
Rumsfeld would serve well at the moment.
Ok how about this, Some 50 plus million people here in US use it
daily, why hasn't epidemiological evidence turned up harm? I was a
graduate student many years back. I mention this only to point out
that proving that conventional wisdom is wrong is sort of a holy grail
to science researchers across the universe. If there is data to
disprove the conventional wisdom that aspertame is safe as used, then
why hasn't a graduate student in epidemiology found anything?
Todd Swearingen
----- Original Message ----- From: "bob allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec
Nothing personal to you but all I can say about Mercola is QUACK,
QUACK. see for example his totally bogus, nonscientific diatribe
about aspertame. It is right up there with other wackos such as
Betty Martini.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/329/7469/755#76712
Legal Eagle wrote:
Thanks for the links. Dr Marcola is a known specialist in his
field, so this should prove an interesting read.
Luc
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Volker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec
Probiotics are something I researched heavily about 6 months ago,
when I
began using what I have found to be by far the best available. Here
is one
link which explains the product well in summary form, and there are
many
sites which explain the homeostatic soil organism concept at extreme
detail..The probiotic I am referring to is called Primal Defense,
made by
"Garden of Life"...visit http://www.risingstarlc.com/pdindex.htm
Also, regarding flu epidemics, shortages of vaccines, and the
foolishness of
using vaccines period, visit
http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/20/flu_vaccine.htm
Regards,
Dan Volker
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec
Muchas Gracias Kim;
After having a peruse I may even want to give it a link in
the Oragnics Section of my site or something. We all need to
seek out ways to better our health. No one is going to avoid
dying, but we sure can have a good and long quality of life though.
Luc
PS:Maybe I should be thinking of adding a section only for
probiotics. I already have an article on it, but sources I do
not have.Hmmm, worth a thought.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] C.Difficile Epidemic in Quebec
> Wonderful advice Luc. I would add that kefir taken daily really
> promotes good health. Kefir grains really are Mother Nature's best
> defence for health. The nice part, is that one aquires
grains just by
> paying the shipping, then in a couple of weeks, you have lots of
> grains to share with family and friends. Learn more at:
> http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Kim
>
> At 07:52 AM 10/27/2004, you wrote:
>>http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2004/10/26/cdiffici
le_queplan
>>041026.html
>>
>>Check out what they are doing to curb it. Reducing
anti-biotics, duh.
>>Anti-biotics overuse has resulted in many more diseases
than they have
>>"cured". All the while attacking "bad" bacteria they also
eliminate "good"
>>bacteria leaving the immune system depleted of it's
defenses and then
>>along comes Mr. Pathogen (just like in tress) and wreaks a
nightmare,
>>and because these pathogen are so prolific it isn't long
before what
>>was a minor problem becomes a major health concern, just
like over use
>>of fertilizers in soil. Same causation, same effect.
>>When T cells are healthy the immuno functions, including the lymph,
>>cleans out and purify the blood and move dead cells and other
>>pathogens along to be disposed of, but if the immuno functions are
>>weakened by anti-biotic overkill then the lymph can't do
it's job properly and you get ... sick.
>>When anti-biotics MUST be used it is recommended that a
probiotic such
>>as acidophilus accompany it to offset some of the negative
effects of
>>the immuno depletion Of course there are exemptions, as in
all rules,
>>but this is the standard, now starting to be admitted by the
>>"community" of those heralding themselves as "health
experts". HRT was
>>a really good earner, I mean solution, until they were
forced to admit
>>it is a carcinogen. Vioxx was a really good earner, oops, I mean
>>solution until people started killing themselves. Lipitor
wa a really
>>good... unti it also proveed to be counter-health producting.
>>Moral of the story ? Live a healthy life and feed your body
with high
>>quality healthy fresh foods and you won't have to worry
about finding
>>a "solution" later.
>>
>>Luc
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