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Hard to say where the truth is in all of this debate regarding cutting trees. In Canada forest is one of our largest natural .....ahem....resources. Currently more forest area is lost to natural causes than logging. Trees are renewable and the lumber industry now replants more trees than it takes. The ecological impact is not a clear cut issue (pardon the pun). Granted a mature forest supports a different ecology than a second growth but for instance studies have shown that there is more food for bears in a clearcut zone than there is in a mature forest. I can vouch for this and the proof is in the sheer number of bears I have seen in clearcut areas in the province of British Columbia vs old growth areas. Clear cutting is still bad for what it does to soil retention on slopes but consider that a mature forest WILL burn eventually one hot dry summer during an electrical storm and all the lumber will have gone to waste and a lot of CO2 and particulate would have gone into the air. I have also been told that trees contibute relatively little oxygen to our atmosphere compared to the majority which comes from algae in the sea. Is this true? I've not verified it. Surely in a place like Canada using lumber makes sense from the perspective of localization vs globalization. Steel mills and recycling foundaries are few and far apart and require energy and transportation over long distances. The lumber industry uses heavy equipment for sure but there are thousands of saw mills that can process lumber right where it is cut and it can be used there as well. Lumber will not disappear any time soon as a building material. If logging was banned here construction companies would look for imported lumber possibly imported from regions where lack of environmental standards and logging practices are much more damaging to the earth. What is really needed is to put the brakes on the pervasive need for expansion that our capitalist system requires in order to sustain itself. I don't know what can replace it but I have a feeling we are going to find out in the next decade or so.Joe Chris wrote:Todd, of course you are correct that energy is used to recycle steel. However, no more land is strip mined, and no new land is disturbed to bury the old broken washing machine that got melted down. Were the electricity generated in a sustainable way, it would be all good.Chris K Cayce, SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?> We do not live in the US. > Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel?Something that requires a boatload of fossil fuels to smelt, sheet and press.Nice thing about renewables. They're renewable.And to a very large they do it in a carbon neutral way without much interference from humans.Todd Swearingen. Josephine Wee wrote:To Nancy Canning:We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel?thanks. ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Nancy Canning <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:51 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? what about recycled tires. filled with dirt, then covered with stucco. Makes a mighty good building and is being used all over the southwest. ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Chris <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? I just built a utility building using the recycled steel structure by Panasteel, and I didn't have to join a get-rich-quick scheme to do it. Chris K Cayce, SC ----- Original Message ----- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:04 PM *Subject:* [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ? Have you ever wondered how many trees were killed to build your home ? 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