War. Jeez, where IS Osama Bin Laden? I did not protest that decision. In fact, I think we owe the Afganis a country.
Iraq: Has this been a UN action with the neighboring Arab countries supporting it, I would have also. This is when I believed that Saddam had WMD. Knowing that this was not true, I would NOT have supported invasion. I would have supported the UN and the world squeezing him on his civil rights, just like we're doing in Burma and oh, never mind. Derick Giorchino wrote: > You get not too much of an argument from me but. It seems you are intent > on grouping all Americans as one. > > I also have more than one citizenship. But I went to war for this > country and would do it over, for the right reasons, when I came to > America many years ago it was the envy of the world. And I feel it still > would be. If not for the government and corporate B.S. It disgusts me, > but I don’t include myself as part of that. All I can do is try in my > own way to change things for the better. If not for me but maybe my kids > and grand kids. Not that I think it will ever be as it was. But surly it > could stand just a tad of improvement. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Michael Redler > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:35 AM > *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith! > > > > OK, you have my attention. > > > > Derick wrote: "Not all Americans are lazy stupid or helpless." > > > > As an American, I'd like to think that this is true. In fact, I don't > think that Americans are more lazy than any other country or culture. > Despite being the most obese country in the world, we find ourselves in > the workplace at least as many hours as any other country in the world. > > > > Joe wrote: "This explains the typical american arrogance that drips from > his rhetoric and which irritates you so well." > > > > There are expectations by Americans that other countries and cultures > recognize us as somehow superior. If anyone doubts this, here is a > little experiment: Take comments so commonly heard in political speeches > as well as at backyard barbecues (i.e. "We are the greatest country in > the world") and apply it to Germany (for example). In fact, when an > American president (especially our current president) makes a speech and > it's translated into German and "The United States" is replaced with > "Germany", I would argue that many Americans would be shocked > that ANY head of state would make such a speech. This is the American > double standard which I like to call a kind of pseudo-mutuality since > there are still a few countries who are politically and culturally > aligned with this image. > > > > There is something terribly wrong with our culture and it's just outside > the view of most citizens. Calling Americans "lazy" though, > is inaccurate and minimizes our long list of troubles. > > > > This is what I mean by "list". You try to connect the dots. > > > > 1.) "We" have more homicides in our major cities than casualties in war > (irrespective of the circumstances in that war). > > > > 2.) "We" have a bizarre view of leadership and fairness by virtue of the > fact that the president (irrespective of which president) is pledged > allegiance even when he (not "she" -yet) takes action which adversely > effects the majority of citizens. At the same time, Americans are > known for supporting the "underdog" and down trodden - almost as if to > perpetuate and preserve this demographic. > > > > 3.) "We" struggle to have a standard of K-12 education that matches that > of other developed countries while placing huge emphasis on "faith" and > mixed interpretations of morality. > > > > 4.) Half of the citizens in the United States do not support a document > which prevented dictatorships and provided the means for citizens to > prosper for the last two and a half centuries. At the same time, the > same proportion of citizens don't show up to vote for (arguably) the > most powerful political position in the free world. > > > > http://www.radessays.com/viewpaper.php?nats=MTAxMToyOjE&request=38800 > <http://www.radessays.com/viewpaper.php?nats=MTAxMToyOjE&request=38800> > > > > http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a397df8d00620.htm > > > > 5.) Despite being a republic, the US government has taken it upon itself > to preach democracy to other countries - countries with better > representation of their citizens through coalition governments, better > voter turnout and more opportunities for referendums. > > > > 6.) We have a so called "free press" which either hides or glorifies the > last five points according to a political agenda, making Americans > believe that journalism here is as comprehensive as that in > other developed countries. > > > > ...and the list goes on. > > > > One last note: I have a dual citizenship which allows me to permanently > move out of the country. However, my "other list" of things that I love > about my country (having nothing to do with government or politics) > keeps me here. I prefer to stay and be one of many voices of dissent. > > > > Mike > > > > Other References: > > http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/atheism9.htm > > http://gozips.uakron.edu/~david27/flm/chap9.htm > > http://www.accd.edu/pac/humaniti/colby/L19.htm > > > > > > */Derick Giorchino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > That is about the most ridicules statement I have seen in some time. > Not all Americans are lazy stupid or helpless. Why don’t you say all > Arabs are terrorists? > > All the French smell all Russians are drunks except? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Joe Street > *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2005 11:26 AM > *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith! > > > > Whoa Big Feller........ > > Keith please don't forget Brian is an American, therefore he was > born and raised to believe he is somehow special, and spoiled enough > to expect everything to be paint by numbers. American 'culture' is > all about instant gratification, less work vs more > satisfaction/entertainment. This explains the typical american > arrogance that drips from his rhetoric and which irritates you so > well. I have no doubt that Brian is genuinely frustrated by his > apparent lack of progress in this early stage but it is not really > HIS fault, he has been conditioned with a set of expectations which > do not fit the real world. This is why our insidious Disneyland > 'culture' here in the Americas (well at least Canada and US) works > so well because it has had the illusion of being sustainable for so > long. I see this kind of attitude all the time with university > students. Even graduate students who are getting on in years; they > like someone to lead them by the hand. We are a spoon fed > continent. We like to have everything easy. Easy information, easy > entertainment, easily achievable goals, easy to throw away (insert > everything you don't like), and yes even easy sex (we have a pill to > help that). Well, it aint always easy. Except for the sex part > (speaking personally that is). ;-) > The point about the site that is important is that it works for many > many people. If there is one overriding principle it is make sure > you are understanding very clearly what you are about to do before > you start. If you don't know what %(w/v) means then you should not > proceed. In fact your exact next step at that point is, go find out > what %(w/v) means before you go any further. Do not assume. Do not > skip over. Go find out. The fact that americans have this moronic > attention span means that it is very difficult for us to take the > time to just go and do this stuff methodically. We cannot > concentrate long enough to read a web page. We see the fuel as miles > rolling by our windscreen before the oil is even reacted. Carrot on > a stick mentality. This is what the rulers of our society have > created. Feel free to throw your television out the window if any > of this bothers anyone! I guess it is hard for people in other > parts of the world to know this about our infantile collective on > this big island in the sea. Take pity you cruel task master, we are > but children emerging from the playground into a world of harsh reality. > > Joe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
