treat it like a TV tube. once you dump it, leave the jumper leads across the terminals, a HV meter is kind of expensive, personally i think youd do better to take it to the metal yard and get your 1.25$ from the scrappers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver
> See! See! A quick test will a meter might leave you lying on the floor > witrh your heart all a twitter. What meter will you use to check 3500 V > DC? What voltage are the leads good for? Did you know that even dirt > on the outside of the lead wires can be enough of a conductive path to > let the discharge flow right down the surface to your hands? No > probably not. And it would not be something intuitively obvious to > anyone who has not been trained how to work with HV. Because it is not > obvious and everyone has to be taught these things. Did you know that > the dielectric in a HV capacitor will usually recharge itself quite > significantly after a single discharge? It is also a naive assumption > that pulling the plug will leave the cap discharged. > No offence to you Logan, but your post just serves to illustrate my point. > > Joe > > Logan vilas wrote: > >>If turn on the microwave and pull the plug while it's running that would >>discharge most if not all of the power in the capacitor I would think. A >>quick test from a meter would verify if it still had power or not. >> >>Logan Vilas >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren >>Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:19 PM >>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal >>Silver >> >>I think the commercial process was the Katadyne process. You pull an arc >>between two silver electrodes under distilled water and filter the result >>since you will have a mix of sizes. I think they use something around 30 >>to >>60 volts. High amperage as you want a plasma. When it goes out you >>restrike. >> >>Kirk >> >>"D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hi Joe, >> I would bring the oven to a shop that routinely repairs them to >>have that capacitor discharged safely. The thing with >> using the oven's electronics (no magnetron needed) was the very high >>rate of production of CS. Also, it is a higher use of the oven as they do >>change the characteristics of protein into something dangerous, i.e., >>carcinogenic. My wife thinks they're a godsend. I can't convince her of >>their intrinsic danger. I've told her that when the damn thing goes bad >>that >>I am not replacing it. Myself, I don't use it, even for heating water, >>since >>it changes the structure of the water. The microwave >> oven is another modern marvel that has lessened life. >> If CS is made with distilled water in a constant current device >>using four nines (99.99%) or better pure silver, it will be safe to >>consume. >>I use it to stop the progression of periodontal disease. I have a bad case >>of it. Also am using ozonated >> water. I have no problem with killing of friendly gut flora, but I >>do take a good probiotic to hedge my bets. >> Peace, D. Mindock >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joe Street <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make >>Colloidal Silver >> >> OMG please don't do this! >> The capacitor in a microwave oven contains several joules of >>energy! This is sufficient to kill you and has done to more than one >>unsuspecting soul who has decided to tinker around inside the microwave >>oven. The article below even goes to the extent of warning you to >>discharge >>the cap before doing any assembly work but then it goes on at the end in >>bold red saying the danger is not in operating the beast but in its >>construction. It doesn't say anythingabout how you are supposed to >>discharge the cap before you try to remove the electrode from the jar! >> >> Trust me colloidal siver can be easily made using voltage as >>low as 20 volts and with current limiting. It will take a little longer >>(15 >>minutes) to make a batch ( I do half a litre at a time) but current >>limiting is important because it keeps particle size down in the low >>nanometer range where it needs to be in order to make a good colloid. I >>use >>a little wall wart type transformer for this. Half a litre IS high >>volume. >>Considering that the most effective way to use the stuff is to put it in a >>nasal sprayer and use it directly on ther mucous linings at THE FIRST SIGN >>of a sore throat ( not effective at later stages) and you are using >>perhaps >>1ml at a time, half a litre will last your entire family a year or more. >>DON'T drink the stuff unless you want to kill off beneficial bacteria in >>your GI tract. Pink eye is easily and quickly cured with repeated misting >>of the open eye, but again it is working on contact. There are many other >>uses for the stuff which I won't get into but it is basically a powerful >>anit-bacterial which works on contact against single celled organisms. >> >> The internals of microwave ovens are extremely unforgiving >>and even for the initiated there is no room for error or absent >>mindedness. >> >> Joe >> >> D. Mindock wrote: >> >> >> Build Your Own High-Volume Colloidal Silver Maker >> >> >> You want a plague-ready machine that'll make about >>40 quarts of strong Colloidal Silver an hour, that you can easily build in >>an hour for about $38?? I've built many now for people and I'll tell you >>how >>to make yours. >> >> This is about the simplest colloidal silver maker >>you could build. The unit makes 1 liter of roughly 40 PPM CS in 1.5 >>minutes >>or less using reverse osmosis water; with this kind of power, continuous >>production is possible with a spaghetti tube adding and removing water at >>a >>trickle. The primarily ionic silver it produces has saved lives, >>write-offs >>sent home by the hospital to die. As the old Chinese saying goes, "Those >>who >>say it can't be done should not interrupt the one who is doing it." >> >> I have re-wired a microwave oven because it gives >>more than adequate power - about 3600 volts pulsed DC current - to make >>batches very quickly. I use a 9999 fine, 1 oz silver wafer rolled-out to >>5.25 inches long and 1.25 wide for the electrode. This size for the high >>current allows reduced power DENSITY. The electrodes are spaced parallel >>for >>a wide-mouth jar, about 2.25 inches apart, the water giving ample >>RESISTANCE >>to the current. There is no current-limiting needed and all the >>microwave's >>safeties still work. It won't operate with the door open. >> >> There are 2 insulated wires going to the magnetron. >>When you disconnect the magnetron (impeller) you'll only be using the >>heavier (main) wire from the capacitor; the silver electrode in the jar of >>CS you'e brewing usually goes to chassis ground and the wire electrode, >>which can be copper or even iron, goes to the main capacitor wire. If >>you're >>not running 120 volts the wiring inside may be a bit different. >> >> I'm not an electrician but I found bypassing the >>magnetron remarkably easy to do. Get someone a bit adept at the job and >>make >>sure (s)he bleeds the capacitor, which contains LETHAL VOLTAGE. Space the >>electrodes parallel by making holes in a plastic yogurt lid for the top >>and >>plastic paddle with holes the same distance apart at the bottom; at that >>voltage you have to ensure the electrodes never touch. Using an awl or a >>nail, bash a hole through the light perforations in the box cavity and >>thread the wire through from the CS maker in the oven cavity to the feed >>circuit. >> >> Make sure the wire is short enough to make it >>impossible for some goof to operate the unit with the electrodes outside >>the >>box! >> >> (Hint: the smaller microwave ovens can be put on >>their side so you can get a decent sized jar inside) >> >> The first CS maker done this way will take perhaps >>an hour, the rest, 20 minutes, and makes the old (free?) microwave into a >>much more noble device than it was even when it was new. The safeties and >>timer still work and again, it only operates when the door is shut. Total >>cost, a bit of high-voltage wire and the one-ounce rolled-out silver >>ingot, >>is under about $40 CDN, and I used expensive copper-core spark plug wires >>for the high-voltage part. >> >> The CS remains clear (not yellow, not cloudy) for >>many months unless it's somehow tainted. If I make it any stronger it can >>trigger easily if you stick a finger in for example, and it WILL plate the >>inside of the jar with silver at the concentration I make it at. Keep it >>clean ;) >> >> DISCLAIMER: Don't ask for a diagram. If you need a >>diagram for this you shouldn't be in there. Get a knowledgeable friend to >>do >>it. Keep in mind that the dangerous part is in the construction, not the >>use >>of the beast, and be stupid at your own risk. >> >> >> That being said, copyright waived; go ahead and >>circulate this note. >> >> Duncan Crow HOME >><http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/> >> >> >>________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >>Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list >> archives (50,000 messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >>________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives >>(50,000 messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >>________________________________ >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release >>Date: 2/1/2007 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives >>(50,000 messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> >> Need a quick answer? 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