Joe Maybe it helps to know the voltage (capacitors come in many sizes), but if they make a 3500 volt meter I could definitely get one to use. I know several offshore electricians who deal with that level of volts and even higher. That would involve having the microwave pulled apart to see what it says. I am very familiar working with 440 3 phase, I used to work for a navy contractor and that's what they gave us for supply power to our equipment. As for the leads, if the meter is rated for the voltage then I'd be pretty sure the leads would sustain it. I could easily be wrong I have no formal training in electronics. I was not aware of dirt allowing the charge to pass. And I know they COULD have enough electricity to provide another discharge, but if you are doing something stupid like pulling a microwave apart in the first place that would be a good first step toward safety. Notice I said "most if not all" it would depend on a lot of factors.
To be honest I have a 5kv megger that has a meter display on it. I know it will jump if it is plugged into a hot electrical source. I'd be willing to try that to see if it displays. I'd be cautious of the handle possible spinning; otherwise leaving it on the capacitor would possible draw the remaining power out of it. Logan Vilas -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 3:18 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver See! See! A quick test will a meter might leave you lying on the floor witrh your heart all a twitter. What meter will you use to check 3500 V DC? What voltage are the leads good for? Did you know that even dirt on the outside of the lead wires can be enough of a conductive path to let the discharge flow right down the surface to your hands? No probably not. And it would not be something intuitively obvious to anyone who has not been trained how to work with HV. Because it is not obvious and everyone has to be taught these things. Did you know that the dielectric in a HV capacitor will usually recharge itself quite significantly after a single discharge? It is also a naive assumption that pulling the plug will leave the cap discharged. No offence to you Logan, but your post just serves to illustrate my point. Joe Logan vilas wrote: >If turn on the microwave and pull the plug while it's running that would >discharge most if not all of the power in the capacitor I would think. A >quick test from a meter would verify if it still had power or not. > >Logan Vilas > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren >Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:19 PM >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver > >I think the commercial process was the Katadyne process. You pull an arc >between two silver electrodes under distilled water and filter the result >since you will have a mix of sizes. I think they use something around 30 to >60 volts. High amperage as you want a plasma. When it goes out you restrike. > >Kirk > >"D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Joe, > I would bring the oven to a shop that routinely repairs them to >have that capacitor discharged safely. The thing with > using the oven's electronics (no magnetron needed) was the very high >rate of production of CS. Also, it is a higher use of the oven as they do >change the characteristics of protein into something dangerous, i.e., >carcinogenic. My wife thinks they're a godsend. I can't convince her of >their intrinsic danger. I've told her that when the damn thing goes bad that >I am not replacing it. Myself, I don't use it, even for heating water, since >it changes the structure of the water. The microwave > oven is another modern marvel that has lessened life. > If CS is made with distilled water in a constant current device >using four nines (99.99%) or better pure silver, it will be safe to consume. >I use it to stop the progression of periodontal disease. I have a bad case >of it. Also am using ozonated > water. I have no problem with killing of friendly gut flora, but I >do take a good probiotic to hedge my bets. > Peace, D. Mindock > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Street <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make >Colloidal Silver > > OMG please don't do this! > The capacitor in a microwave oven contains several joules of >energy! This is sufficient to kill you and has done to more than one >unsuspecting soul who has decided to tinker around inside the microwave >oven. The article below even goes to the extent of warning you to discharge >the cap before doing any assembly work but then it goes on at the end in >bold red saying the danger is not in operating the beast but in its >construction. It doesn't say anythingabout how you are supposed to >discharge the cap before you try to remove the electrode from the jar! > > Trust me colloidal siver can be easily made using voltage as >low as 20 volts and with current limiting. It will take a little longer (15 >minutes) to make a batch ( I do half a litre at a time) but current >limiting is important because it keeps particle size down in the low >nanometer range where it needs to be in order to make a good colloid. I use >a little wall wart type transformer for this. Half a litre IS high volume. >Considering that the most effective way to use the stuff is to put it in a >nasal sprayer and use it directly on ther mucous linings at THE FIRST SIGN >of a sore throat ( not effective at later stages) and you are using perhaps >1ml at a time, half a litre will last your entire family a year or more. >DON'T drink the stuff unless you want to kill off beneficial bacteria in >your GI tract. Pink eye is easily and quickly cured with repeated misting >of the open eye, but again it is working on contact. There are many other >uses for the stuff which I won't get into but it is basically a powerful >anit-bacterial which works on contact against single celled organisms. > > The internals of microwave ovens are extremely unforgiving >and even for the initiated there is no room for error or absent mindedness. > > Joe > > D. Mindock wrote: > > > Build Your Own High-Volume Colloidal Silver Maker > > > You want a plague-ready machine that'll make about >40 quarts of strong Colloidal Silver an hour, that you can easily build in >an hour for about $38?? I've built many now for people and I'll tell you how >to make yours. > > This is about the simplest colloidal silver maker >you could build. The unit makes 1 liter of roughly 40 PPM CS in 1.5 minutes >or less using reverse osmosis water; with this kind of power, continuous >production is possible with a spaghetti tube adding and removing water at a >trickle. The primarily ionic silver it produces has saved lives, write-offs >sent home by the hospital to die. As the old Chinese saying goes, "Those who >say it can't be done should not interrupt the one who is doing it." > > I have re-wired a microwave oven because it gives >more than adequate power - about 3600 volts pulsed DC current - to make >batches very quickly. I use a 9999 fine, 1 oz silver wafer rolled-out to >5.25 inches long and 1.25 wide for the electrode. This size for the high >current allows reduced power DENSITY. The electrodes are spaced parallel for >a wide-mouth jar, about 2.25 inches apart, the water giving ample RESISTANCE >to the current. There is no current-limiting needed and all the microwave's >safeties still work. It won't operate with the door open. > > There are 2 insulated wires going to the magnetron. >When you disconnect the magnetron (impeller) you'll only be using the >heavier (main) wire from the capacitor; the silver electrode in the jar of >CS you'e brewing usually goes to chassis ground and the wire electrode, >which can be copper or even iron, goes to the main capacitor wire. If you're >not running 120 volts the wiring inside may be a bit different. > > I'm not an electrician but I found bypassing the >magnetron remarkably easy to do. Get someone a bit adept at the job and make >sure (s)he bleeds the capacitor, which contains LETHAL VOLTAGE. Space the >electrodes parallel by making holes in a plastic yogurt lid for the top and >plastic paddle with holes the same distance apart at the bottom; at that >voltage you have to ensure the electrodes never touch. Using an awl or a >nail, bash a hole through the light perforations in the box cavity and >thread the wire through from the CS maker in the oven cavity to the feed >circuit. > > Make sure the wire is short enough to make it >impossible for some goof to operate the unit with the electrodes outside the >box! > > (Hint: the smaller microwave ovens can be put on >their side so you can get a decent sized jar inside) > > The first CS maker done this way will take perhaps >an hour, the rest, 20 minutes, and makes the old (free?) microwave into a >much more noble device than it was even when it was new. The safeties and >timer still work and again, it only operates when the door is shut. Total >cost, a bit of high-voltage wire and the one-ounce rolled-out silver ingot, >is under about $40 CDN, and I used expensive copper-core spark plug wires >for the high-voltage part. > > The CS remains clear (not yellow, not cloudy) for >many months unless it's somehow tainted. If I make it any stronger it can >trigger easily if you stick a finger in for example, and it WILL plate the >inside of the jar with silver at the concentration I make it at. Keep it >clean ;) > > DISCLAIMER: Don't ask for a diagram. If you need a >diagram for this you shouldn't be in there. Get a knowledgeable friend to do >it. Keep in mind that the dangerous part is in the construction, not the use >of the beast, and be stupid at your own risk. > > > That being said, copyright waived; go ahead and >circulate this note. > > Duncan Crow HOME ><http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/> > > >________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list > archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives >(50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > >________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release >Date: 2/1/2007 > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives >(50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > >________________________________ > > Need a quick answer? 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