John, By replying to a legitimate question chosen randomly among a set of strong arguments, expressed with determination and courage of opinions, you cannot hope to dismiss all the other valid (sure, not 100%) arguments as a block. I'm sure you are aware of this elementary rule, but I'm afraid that your move is not innocent, once again. You should have understood by now that the several watchdogs here won't let you get away with anything. I'm also very suspicious of the tone in the rest of your post. The casual announcing tone betrays an undermining intent to my eyes. I don't believe you're candid (sorry not to be with you on this one, Doug).
Anyway, although you systematically and insidiously try to choke any uncomfortable venture against flash, this time it won't work either; to relaunch Richard's remarks I'll just say this: you can have any ActionScript.xxx, but then you need to find brain, creativity, intelligence, but that is going to be a little harder to find in the flash environment, like it has always been. Just one more remark. Knowing that: a) Designers looking for the Holy Grail and switching to SVG often expressed their frustration in respect of the programming effort that they weren't able to produce. b) To palliate for the restrictions imposed by the very concept of Flash, Adobe integrate a fully ecma-compliant ActionScript with the clear intent and hope to draw programming talent. Would anyone be foolish enough to hope designers would be willing to trade their newly acquired semi-freedom for their old mind prison, where they would come across the very same obstacle that makes their SVG freedom incomplete? And would anyone be foolish enough to hope programmers would trade their compositional art for an incomplete and childish subset of preset timbres? Designers and programmers are now full fledged artists, either confirmed or in the making, and like any of their predecessor peers they deal, at some point or another, with existential considerations. They constitute a movement. There has never been any political or economical consideration or behavioral procedure that were able to stop philosophical and artistic movements and schools. In the long run this is what rules, not commercial considerations. Those behavioral procedures in fact have always represented a brake for progress; they have always led periodically to social impoverishment, impoverishment of the spirit, class separation, obscurantism. One who thinks he can dissociate business and economical realities from social and cultural realities on the long run is a fool. Or an idiot. This list is made of programmers, designers and developers. Artists. Even business oriented developers and companies are contributing to the artistic development by hiring more and more these artists because they get excited with this bold display of gift, inventiveness, intelligence, daring ideas and passion. These business oriented developers and companies are the cool guys, they are people who know how to listen to the wind, they are people who know the best investment is to capitalize on creativity, that which springs off the brilliant oranges. It has been said, a few days ago, that this is one of the best lists. No wonder, this list gathers a good share of creators. This list nurtures a passion flame, the kind of flame one cannot extinguish. Powerful companies are desperately trying to blow. They're missing the whole point. They're so pathetic. Trying to adapt corny products to a market that they don't really understand, with the sole objective to make more of those dollars that they already have so many of and still don't know what to do with. Desperately trying to copy the brilliant oranges from behind the curtain, while at the same time arrogantly looking upon them. Selling bugs and deficient applications. SVG is here and the list is here and nobody is anywhere near to disband them. Domenico --- In [email protected], John Dowdell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Francis Hemsher wrote: > > IE7 Beta 2 Preview(3/20/2006) does not initially focus on the events > > contained within an SVG document included in an embed. > > It provides its own statement, via an onMouseOver popup display: "click > > to activate and use this control". > > That is true. It is not just SVG, but any browser extension which has > its OBJECT, EMBED, or APPLET tags contained within the hosting HTML > page. Much more info on user experience and development strategies here: > http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent > > > > I've made MS aware of the above. If anyone else is looking at > > IE7, the EMBED and SVG, you should run it and let them know > > of your needs. > > They already know, believe me, they already know.... ;-) > > The new behavior also occurs in users of the regular IE6 who have found > the list of download options in Windows Update and chosen to install the > similar change for IE6. I expect that, in absence of further legal news, > that this browser change will be mainlined into a future IE6 update. > Other browsers are also vulnerable to the same legal concerns, although > I have not heard of any patent news against other browsermakers... > Microsoft has the biggest pockets, and was first to be approached. > > What to do? The easiest seems to be to use an external .JS file to > dynamically write your OBJECT, EMBED or APPLET tags into the page. > Examples are at the above Macromedia Active Content Center. > > jd > > > > > -- > John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA > Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd > Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna > Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ > Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. > ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
