On 06/12/2006, at 5:56 AM, tony_ser wrote: > Why ? > 1. Firefox and Opera support is no where near complete compare to > both Adobe SVG Viewer. It really limit the scope of the application > you could develop with those 2 browser as target.
Well I'm not sure I agree. I've built a pretty sophisticated app that runs in all three. > 2. For IE, you need plugin anyway. And the best SVG viewer (Adobe) is > dead. Well yes, it's dead in 2008. I agree that we need a good solution for IE sometime soon. What shits me to tears is that MS clearly could provide that support if they chose to, but instead they release something that "embraces and extends" concepts they've ripped off from the open source community. Personally I'll be in the cold cold ground before I give that sort of behaviour my support. Personally, I'd support Flash over WPF/E, via a dojo type solution that will render to whatever is available in the browser. If that gives me support via Flash in IE and via SVG in FF and opera, then I'm happy and MS can go fcuk themselves... :-) > If your application involves simple stuff which works fine in Firefox > and Opera, and you only target less than 20% of the browser install > base, go ahead with SVG. That's not the only answer to the problem of IE not supporting SVG. > I have been a SVG fan for a long time (for the exact same reason as > Kevin), and did develop application with it. But since Adobe pull the > plug, it is a whole different game. It's a slightly different game. ASV was always likely to go away eventually and we've all known that for a while. Re: the suggestion that Adobe will build support for SVG into the Flash plugin, that's a tantalising prospect, but I can't see it happening in our lifetimes. Why would Adobe not have announced that intention before now, if that was their plan? Why would they do it? Guy > > Tony > > --- In [email protected], Guy Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Why would I want to ask my Firefox and Opera-using clients to >> download a plug-in to do something those browsers can already do >> natively? >> >> Maybe if all you really care about is Windows, then yeah, knock >> yourself out. >> >> A vote for proprietary technology in this case is a vote for more >> corporate power. Yeah, I think M$ needs some more of that. I'm > sure >> they'll never abuse it. Let's all help M$ by adopting WPF/E over >> equivalent open standard and open source alternatives! >> >> Guy >> >> >> >> >> On 05/12/2006, at 4:47 PM, kggsystem wrote: >> >>> Well, too bad you won't give it a spin. >>> >>> I forgot to mention that the WPF/E Beta has runtimes for Internet >>> Explorer and Firefox on the PC, and for the MAC. Linux runtimes > will >>> follow within a year. Makes me wonder how much more effort the FF >>> people will want to put into SVG now that they have this WPF/E > stuff. >>> >>> I have been a SVG fan for a long time, but not because it was an > Open >>> Standard spec'd by comittee. I am a fan of SVG because of what it > can >>> do for me and my customers. I am a fan because of it's declarative >>> nature, elegant schema, rich feature set, and scriptable DOM. So > by >>> extension I am a fan of this WPF/E stuff too. Same model. It has >>> nothing to do with blinders or gullibility or that Bill Gates >>> invented the Web, Cellular Telephone, and Transistor or whatever > else >>> he invented. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- In [email protected], Guy Morton <guy@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Nup, I'm not the least bit interested in that. Another > proprietary >>>> model for delivering "rich web apps"? no thanks. >>>> >>>> I can't believe *anyone*, except die-hard and blinkered M$ fans, >>> can want this. >>>> >>>> Sounds like they ought to be able to support SVG using this stuff >>>> though, and pretty easily I'd have thought. Clearly they > understand >>>> the problem space well enough. What's lacking, as always with M$, >>>> is the will to give support to a technology they can't own. >>>> It's my fervent hope that sooner or later this will bring about >>>> their demise, however, breathless announcements about how "cool" >>>> stuff like this is indicates to me that M$ are as good as ever > at >>>> spinning a line for the gullible. They'll have everyone believing >>>> they invented the web all over again. >>>> >>>> Let's hope this goes the way of "Microsoft Network", and they are >>>> eventually forced to throw their lot in with the rest of > humanity, >>>> instead of reinventing everything as their own. >>>> >>>> Guy >>>> >>>> On 05/12/2006, at 6:56 AM, kggsystem wrote: >>>> >>>>> WPF/E is much more closer to SVG than the full fledged WPF, in >>> that it >>>>> runs "loose markup" with a scripting model, in a browser. The > Full >>>>> Fledged WPF really requires a compilation step before it is very >>>>> useful. >>>>> >>>>> SVG Model >>>>> >>>>> 1) User in Browser points to an URL that might be HTML and/or > SVG. >>>>> 2) Files (HTML, SVG, JS, CSS) are returned, rendered, and the >>> scripts >>>>> are activated. Javascript can manipulate the SVG DOM to do stuff >>>>> 3) User is in Business >>>>> >>>>> WPF/E Model >>>>> >>>>> 1) User in Browser points to an URL that might be HTML and/or >>> XAML. >>>>> 2) Files (HTML, XAML, JS) are returned, rendered, and the > scripts >>> are >>>>> activated. Javascript can manipulate the WPF/E DOM to do stuff >>>>> 3) User is in Business >>>>> >>>>> Check it out, you might find it interesting >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> -or- >>>>> visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and >>> click "edit >>>>> my membership" >>>>> ---- >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> -or- >>> visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and > click "edit >>> my membership" >>> ---- >>> Yahoo! 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