On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:19:15 +0530, Andreas Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: >> Where is the authoring tool that anyone can just pick up and use? say >> comparable with the many text editors or tuxpaint? > > again, what has the authoring tool to do with the graphics format? If the format does not support developing nice authoring tools, you probably have a problem. On the other hand, SVG does seem to support authoring tools. The question stands though, of where are the great, simple tools? >> and it's not just that the developers got carried away with feature >> bloat, it's that accessibility got buried at the same time. >> >> you fail to mention the accessibility issues. >> there still isn't any accessibility software such as a screen reader >> that operates with any SVG viewer. After how many years? > > > I don't understand how a graphics format/specification should be > responsible for implementing a screen reader. Isn't this the > responsibility of the user agent (SVG viewer or web browser)? And there > even is one SVG viewer that allows to read selected text. In Safari > Webkit (next version) it is possible to use text to speech by using the > MacOSX builtin text to speech engine. I am sure other SVG viewers could > use that engine as well. Same on Windows. Just write feature requests to > the SVG viewer/browser vendors. This really isn't an issue about the > graphics format. Yes and no. The graphics format will ideally provide support for screenreaders to present the information, and something like microformats (or even real RDF) is IMHO the best way to make this happen in the general case. In order to see the technical ideas in their raw form, the long-out-of-date but not-yet-obsoleted-by-anything-better http://www.w3.org/TR/svg-access provides some general approaches, and the approach adopted in the ARIA work currently coming from W3C could easily be adopted for SVG. That said, implementation is indeed something you should bug vendors about. And yes, it is on our radar at least. Things like integrating SVG into our voice work have happened, but the problems are quite complex. On the other hand, how many screen readers are there for graphical formats in general? I think we are doing a reasonable job at Opera in a very small and very complex field. Keep filing bugs and test cases though... this is really hard stuff. cheers Chaals -- Charles McCathieNevile, Opera Software: Standards Group hablo español - je parle français - jeg lærer norsk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try Opera 9.1 http://opera.com ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
