Andreas, your expectation that I might enlighten you is over-generous in the extreme... However I am grateful for your support, recognising that you are an SVG standards expert. Please take the time to investigate SVG accessibility, here are a few suggestions.
Have your read: "Accessibility Features of SVG" http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG-access/ and considered the paucity of provision? and that it hasn't been updated for seven years? Doug and Chaals have informally invited contributions, there is a lot of work to be done. Please encourage P&FWG to accept my application for membership. Have you read WCAG2 and understood the formal objection? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2006Jun/ 0118.html I invited over forty organisations, charities and businesses to sign. 1 in 5 people in the UK is functionally illiterate. Many people prefer their text illustrated (TV) and enjoy ambient sound, for instance in games. SVG offers a huge potential to people with low literacy. We 'all' use a large number of icons daily, whether on or off screen. Many people with learning disabilities may use an extended symbol language together with signing to communicate. Makaton, PCS, Bliss and Widgit are worth investigating. most current symbol languages are copyright, and charities or businesses derive income from selling them. They are usually authored in SVG or another vector language, but published in bit formats to protect copyright. no email application afaik displays inline SVG. Please comment the bug enhancements filed with the major UA developers. Contribute to the conception and definition of simple to use SVG authoring tool that is fun to use, and includes rdf or metatagging. what are the minimal (microformat?) requirements? regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 7 Feb 2007, at 07:49, Andreas Neumann wrote: Jonathan, I don't claim to be an accessibility expert. But I know enough about accessibility to know that it primarily is an issue about the user agent and the underlying operating system and not so much an issue about the underlying graphics format. It could be, if you help me to see where the format can improve accessibility. As far as selection of text for blind works: SVG 1.2 supports focusing elements, e.g. selecting elements or text using the tab key. The author can define which elements are focusable. I am sure that blind people can find the tab key. But there is no doubt that there are accessibility problems when viewing graphics as a blind person. Thats a fact. You always claim that the SVG format doesn't support accessibility and it sucks, etc. but I don't see a single useful proposal to improve the situation other than general statements (e.g. holistic approach, etc.) Please list now your suggestion on how to improve accessibility in the SVG format. Please use precise proposals and not some general statements, like "holistic approach" and "SVG sucks", etc. I also don't see how microformats can help you to improve accessibility in a graphics format, a graphics viewer and a graphics authoring tool. Please enlighten me. Andreas --- In [email protected], Jonathan Chetwynd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Andreas, > > how are you proposing that blind people will select text to be read? > > regards > > Jonathan Chetwynd > > > > On 6 Feb 2007, at 21:49, Andreas Neumann wrote: > > there even is one SVG viewer that allows to read selected text. In > Safari Webkit (next version) it is possible to use text to speech by > using the MacOSX builtin text to speech engine. > ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
