http://blogs.theage.com.au/thedailytruth/archives/2006/11/get.html
I don't think anyone's saying SVG has no challenges ahead. I think a lot of people who are interested in using SVG *want* to support the open standards of the w3c rather than have yet another promising standard bastardised and corporatised by M$. For the record, I doubt Silverlight will ever dominate the world. They will achieve some success in their Windows-only world with the pro-M$ developer crowd who doesn't care about standards or other OSes, but that'll be it. Flash will continue to be the dominant vector format for now. If Adobe were smart, they'd build SVG support into the flash plugin (as an add-on that's downloaded when SVG content is encountered perhaps) and screw M$ good and proper - all of a sudden SVG would have a fast modern player already installed in every IE out there and Silverlight would be playing a hell of a game of catch up. Adobe could do this without losing it's market for flash as they already have the most mature IDE for vector animation and they'd come out of it looking like the good guys for supporting open standards. Open- source flash generators don't appear to have done them any harm. How is SVG different from a practical point of view? There are even cheap Flash IDE replacements out there that don't seem to have dented their fortunes. Adobe is a pretty smart company so it may still happen (Hi JD!). And really, I think the tide is turning against M$. Vista was a huge yawn, IE7 is a joke and I don't believe they're getting much traction with Silverlight. They are a bloated aging dinosaur and out of step with where the world is heading. Guy On 29/05/2007, at 6:17 AM, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote: > Doug, > > once again I feel you are taking yourself, the list, its members and > SVG far too seriously. > > get a life and live a little. there's plenty wrong with SVG and the > W3C process. > > it may well be that not everyone can express their concerns as well > as me, but honestly you must have something better to do than > moderate flames. > > cheers > > Jonathan Chetwynd > > > > On 28 May 2007, at 09:46, Doug Schepers wrote: > > Hi, Geoffrey- > > You've really pushed my patience to the edge. > > This list is for questions about SVG development. It's not a forum for > you to rant against SVG or promote other technologies. As I said > before, there are constructive ways to have such conversations, but > you > are willfully avoiding them. > > Anyone who has truly been reading this list for the past 3 years, 2 > years, 1 year, 6 months, 3 months, or even a single month cannot help > but to see the "SVG is dead" permathread (at least one of which was > started by you), including copious emails regarding the foundering > status of the Adobe plug-in. I would hardly describe the reaction on > this list as "rosy". One need only to search through the archives to > see thread after thread devoted to this. And yet somehow, doomsayers > aside, SVG is still becoming more widely implemented, and those > implementations are steadily improving. > > This list is never going to advocate transition to some other > technology > (unless SVG is simply not suitable for the task at hand, as is > sometimes > the case). If ever SVG fails, if "the market decides" there is no room > for a cross-platform, open-standards vector graphics language, this > list > will simply close. You seem to have already found your next passion, > and if you are not interested in SVG, I suggest this may no longer be > the list for you. > > You consider the time you have spent on SVG wasted; similarly, I > consider the time I have spent reading and replying to your > inflammatory > messages a waste of my time. I suspect that you have gotten more > out of > learning SVG than the rest of us have gotten from the superficial > contents of your recent messages. I politely asked you to > self-moderate, which you agreed to do; you have not honored your > promise, and I have thus set your posting privileges to "moderated" > status. If you have something constructive to say, I will allow the > post to go through. > > Believe me, I was very reluctant to do this. You are only the 2nd > person I've had to take such measures with (and the first was > because of > extremely foul language). But I reviewed your posting history, and > while I do believe that participated in this group in good faith in > the > past, this thread does not reflect that good faith. > > I'm sure you're simply venting your frustration at what is > admittedly a > slow process (as all open standards are). I think it will > ultimately be > worth it, and I find SVG quite usable today. If you don't agree, I > wish > you well with whatever technology you think better suits your needs. > > To everyone else, I apologize for taking this action. I truly hate to > be forced to moderate someone, but I feel that this was the only > way to > get this list back on track. > > Regards- > -Doug > > Geoffrey Swenson wrote: >> The lack of support in IE, and the fact that each implementation & > browser >> that supports SVG has different bugs and flaws that you have to > work around, >> different code to load the SVG objects, etc. is why I cannot > justify any >> more work in SVG for my projects. >> >> >> >> I want my implementations to be the same regardless of platform. > I'm pretty >> sure any movement going on in SVG is too little too late. Even if >> Silverlight is not the way to go, it is going to be something else. >> >> >> >> I built a SVG project and put several months of work into it > before it >> occurred to me that the Adobe SVG plugin had not been updated for > years - >> meaning Adobe had pretty much abandoned it. You would have never > guessed >> this from the dialog here on this list. The sky is blue, > everything is rosy; >> there are no problems with SVG. Nothing to see here. >> >> >> Adobe could rectify the lack of SVG support in IE7 quite easily by > updating >> the plugin, but they obviously prefer not to advance this > technology any >> further. >> >> >> >> And then there is the lousy state of all of the open source SVG > efforts that >> are mostly way behind the antique Adobe plugin. At the current > rate of >> progress it will be at least two more years before all of the various >> browsers will have most of the SVG features working in a > consistent manner. >> >> >> >> I am a little disconcerted that we are not going to get any help > from this >> list to migrate to whatever succeeds SVG. There is nothing wrong > with the >> list evolving along with the technology. For example, DSLreports > becomes >> BroadbandReports and keeps on helping people with broadband issues > rather >> than staying stuck on one small thing. >> >> >> >> The next wave of the internet will be come from some sort of new > graphical >> rendering language. I had hoped it would be SVG, but it looks > dead. Please >> don't shoot the messengers. >> >> >> >> In any case I am sick and tired of the limitations of HTML, > shackled by >> glacially slow standards progress and reliance on inefficient > bitmapped >> graphics. Something more is needed. >> > > > > > > ----- > To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -or- > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit > my membership" > ---- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! 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