On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 03:41:25PM +0200, Kamer, Andreas wrote: > Hi all > > > > And those who learned "Informatiker"? > > > I know at least three guys who are searching for a job at the end > > > of their apprenticeship... It's also nothing worth in the real > > > world. > > Yep, the "Informatiker Lehre" ain't worth dirt. The only ones > > doing that and > > who I know that they will succeed, are without exception > > linux zealots. > > I finished my "Informatiker Lehre" (Fachrichtung Systemtechnik) two years > ago. > Most of my colleagues (including me) aren't working as UNIX/Linux admins.
I was impling that they have a general interest in FOSS unrelated to their curicullum, not necessarly that that will be their profession later on. Further I'd like to elaborate, that in the early days of foss you needed a lot more work to get where you wanted as with other finished out of the box solutions. So if you got something to work, it usually meant to read a lot of documentation which ultimatley also thaught you something. (Heck, I even can recalibrate monitors now, thanks to ESR's XFreeTimings Howto.) > I know some guys working in System Engineering, Project Management or > Network Operations area (like me) for example. > But of course, I don't know if we (the guys mentioned above) really will > succeed ;-) Well many of those that I knew only played $favorite_pcgame all day, and those that I define as "successful" where interested in $programming_language. It's the attitude and what you make of it that matters. IT is simply not some $job where they teach you 90% of what you need to know in order to make a successfull career. > Well, I don't know what the IT apprenticeship is worth exactly, but for sure > it gives you a basic but broad knowledge about almost the whole IT area (of > course without really specializing on a certain area). So this is > definitively not comparable to certificates like 'PC Supporter SIZ'. Ok, I must be fair... it's been sometime since I reviewed things. But last time I looked over the "Lehr Abschluss Pruefungen" I saw things like: "An excel database for storage management". The guy I coached did his on ip_filter, checkpoint1 and iptables comparing the 3, explaining different approaches to different problems. I might add that it was his idea not mine, he simply consulted me on several points. Needless to say, he aced that exam. Maybe its just my personal hatred for people that go: "I'm Informatiker give me 120k a year and I'll do some mousing for ya." And believe me I have seen plenty of those... - Folken
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