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It seems there are quite some "Informatiker" on this list. :) I consider myself also to this group even though
- I am from the first official classes held (1995-1999) in ZH and a lot of the school-programm has changed in the mean time.
- I am on the "opposite side" from an apprentice's view at the moment since I am judging a part of the "Lehrabschlusspr�fung" (final exams) by order of Pr�fungskommission 19 of Canton Z�rich which are proceeding right in these months.
Lukas Beeler and Andreas Kamer wrote:
Well, I don't know what the IT apprenticeship is worth exactly, butIt depends on two factors: * the apprentice * the company offering the apprenticeship
I second that.
For those not expirienced with this apprenticeship here some basic information about "Informatiker":
- There are three different types of "Informatiker":
- Informatiker Systemtechnik. They are doing the "normal" IT stuff as most of the persons on this list like systemadministration, network specialist and so on.
- Informatiker Applikationsentwicklung. As the name already says they are specialised on development of applications but never let them touch your routers ;) This type of "Informatik" you mostly find at big banks like UB$ or C$ programming some business logic software like $AP or People$oft.
- Ger�teinformatiker. They are takeing care of your dead printers and copiers.
For all of them applys following: In school they get a broad knowledge of the basics of IT. It heavily depends on the company they are working for what they are becoming specialised in. This does not mean they are not allowed/able to change the grounds. I did that myself. I did my apprenticeship in a company developing software for the logistics sector. Where I am working now you can guess by yourselfs considering I am posting on this list. :)
When I started my apprenticeship the only way to become an "Informatiker" was to undertake the four year lasting apprenticeship. Right now there are besides the mentioned way which still exists following possibilities to become an "Informatiker":
- Do the school path. This means you take a two years of fulltime school and do an internship for another two years before doing the exams. This way is provided by education institutes like Benedict and IBZ. My personal view of this way of education is not very good. Those people mostly have a lack of real-life expirience even after the internship. BTW: the apprentice has to pay the educationprovider for the two years...
- Do a "Basislehrjahr". This is quite similar like the way school way but exists longer. This way came up because some big companies felt like their apprentices need some basic knowhow before they can be integrated into the normal workingenvironment. So these companies are "buying" (pay the school) the apprentices after their school-time and integrate them directly in their IT departments.
- The "Way-Up Program". This programs consists of a re-education of absolvents of a commercial apprenticeship to make them "Applikationsentwickler". Here are the banks again. They need people who know the bank business but can write software as well. So this two year education was created.
So this is definitively not comparable to certificates like 'PC Supporter SIZ'.
I would like to second this as well. As an Informatiker you have a much broader and deeper background as well as 4 years of working in the real world.
I hope it was an interesting read and wish everybody a nice evening.
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