On 9 Feb 2009, at 19:42, Ben Rockwood wrote:
>
> I think we're of the same mind that a variety of Solaris features are
> lacking polish out of the box.  I'd go further to say that Sun has  
> done
> a poor job of providing that polish via add on products, and it seems
> like the only way it ever gets high level features at all is through
> acquisitions, which seem to whither and die after the fact....
> Management Center is a good example.
>

I think this is a good summary of the impression in the field.  A side- 
effect of the last point (I suppose) is that there seems to be a new  
tool (or set of tools, or possibly a confusingly-renamed set of tools  
which already exist) from Sun every few months: it's hard to argue for  
adoption of these things when past experience indicates that, after  
being renamed a few times, they will fade away.  That really needs to  
stop.

>
> Too many users are creating custom tools and not opening them.  Just
> adding GNOME panels or focusing on GUI's isn't really useful, we need
> easy to use CLI tools that make users successful very quickly and  
> easily.

CLI tools are critical of course (in general: tools you can drive  
programmatically are critical).

I think that, perversely, the right approach is in many cases to  
realise that producing the whole "management stack" (is this a term?)  
is not the right thing for Sun to do, but rather in many cases to  
provide stable interfaces and support existing open tools. SNMP would  
be a great example of that.

--tim
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