I agree that Sun has changed its tune on such tools for years and we've ended up with lots of abandon-ware.. SMC, admintool, FRAME, etc. Webmin looks interesting, but we need parity at the CLI, GUI, and Web base.. regardless of it's a desktop or a data center full of Solaris/OpenSolaris servers. Supporting standards for monitoring such as SNMPv2/v3 are critical. In general, supporting standards should be paramount to the evolution of Solars/OpenSolaris.
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Bradshaw <t...@tfeb.org> To: Ben Rockwood <b...@cuddletech.com> Cc: Octave Orgeron <unixcons...@yahoo.com>; sysadmin-discuss@opensolaris.org; perf-disc...@opensolaris.org; Jason King <ja...@ansipunx.net> Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 3:30:44 PM Subject: Re: [sysadmin-discuss] [perf-discuss] Project Proposal: Improved Performance MIB for OpenSolaris On 9 Feb 2009, at 19:42, Ben Rockwood wrote: > > I think we're of the same mind that a variety of Solaris features are > lacking polish out of the box. I'd go further to say that Sun has done > a poor job of providing that polish via add on products, and it seems > like the only way it ever gets high level features at all is through > acquisitions, which seem to whither and die after the fact.... > Management Center is a good example. > I think this is a good summary of the impression in the field. A side-effect of the last point (I suppose) is that there seems to be a new tool (or set of tools, or possibly a confusingly-renamed set of tools which already exist) from Sun every few months: it's hard to argue for adoption of these things when past experience indicates that, after being renamed a few times, they will fade away. That really needs to stop. > > Too many users are creating custom tools and not opening them. Just > adding GNOME panels or focusing on GUI's isn't really useful, we need > easy to use CLI tools that make users successful very quickly and easily. CLI tools are critical of course (in general: tools you can drive programmatically are critical). I think that, perversely, the right approach is in many cases to realise that producing the whole "management stack" (is this a term?) is not the right thing for Sun to do, but rather in many cases to provide stable interfaces and support existing open tools. SNMP would be a great example of that. --tim _______________________________________________ sysadmin-discuss mailing list sysadmin-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/sysadmin-discuss
