Dave, to clarify. You use the term 'RV' as meaning a MotorHome, accommodation built on a truck chassis, and excluding things towed behind a car, SUV or 4x4 ?
Here, we use RV to mean Motorhome, caravan, camper. Sometimes even broader. David On Sat, 2015-03-21 at 06:34 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > > I like the idea behind this proposal overall but feel some > clarifications are needed. In the first section: Designated means set > aside for the purpose of camping, so that part is fine. But then you > say: > 2. Designated campground (camp_site=designated) - areas that > are made available for camping on a non-commercial basis, > usually for an overnight RV or caravan stay, but that are > equipped with no or few facilities and charge no or a nominal > fee; > > > if you reword it to say: > "areas that are available for camping on a non-commercial basis, > often for RV or caravan use, and that have at a minimum facilities > like toilets, trash disposal and drinking water. Such sites may be > free or charge a fee and may be located inside a public park or other > recreation area. If the site is only for tents or only for RVs, add > caravan=no or tents=no, etc. " > > > you will remove the bias toward RVs your version has and expand the > definition to include more campgrounds. This sort of campground, along > with the commercial types, is probably the most common type in the > U.S. If you leave it as is, the bulk of the camping facilities in the > U.S. and Alaska will not have a strong match to any of your > categories. With this definition there, you can discard the 6th > category entirely. I would venture to say 99% of campgrounds inside of > National and State Parks and National Recreation areas are > "designated", you cannot just camp anywhere. > > > Under Rendering: > Your choice of an RV icon for designated sites is not good because it > implies RV usage is the major type of camping at this place. > > > Also, you say > Commercial and undefined campgrounds: Blue tent > symbol Camping.n.16.png as currently in place > > Why do you use the word undefined. It's the first time that word > appears in the proposal and has no . I think you should say, > commercial sites or sites that are tagged tourism=camp_site but have > no other clarifying tags, should get the blue tent symbol. > > > Regards, > > > Dave > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:59 AM, Jan van Bekkum > <[email protected]> wrote: > I have updated the proposal with the feedback as much as > possible. > > Met vriendelijke groet/with kind regards, > > Jan van Bekkum > www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 1:55 PM, John Willis <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I understand the risk of confusion, but: > > A - if there is any "informal" kind of tag there would > be people who tag particularly good sites to pitch a > tent in national parks or whatnot with them, and > though I can only think of a couple myself I'd > consider good enough to map, people will want to share > this as soon as they see "informal" is available, > so... > > B - I don't want informal - either turnout > car-camping, hotel adjacent camping, nor random > trekking camp clearings confused in any way with > proper, designated, car-camping /tent camping / > caravan facilities - and giving people a couple extra > tag values is going the reduce confusion so the actual > maintained camp sites are labeled and marked correctly > by taggers. I thought about the few car camping ("auto > camp") / tent camping sites I'd seen in Japan recently > and thought about how I would tag those, and the > thoughts about tent platforms came to mind, for > example, same with tagging their immaculate kitchens > and amenities in another thread. > > I'm not a big camper anymore, nor campsite tagger, but > I have been on hundreds of camping trips, covering > every facility mentioned several times over (save > RV/caravan sites) and there seems to be big > distinctions between all the kinds I mentioned - and > being able to convey those in tags seems relevant - > though maybe my input is not as important because I'm > not so interested in tagging those kind of sites. > > I hope my input was helpful, I will be voting yes on > whatever is decided. > > Javbw > > > On Mar 15, 2015, at 8:46 PM, sly (sylvain letuffe) > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > dieterdreist wrote > >>> Am 14.03.2015 um 05:41 schrieb John Willis < > > > >> johnw@ > > > >> >: > >>> > >>> and mapping them for other Trekkers would be > useful only if they are not > >>> confused at all with all of the other, more > substatial or easily accessed > >>> spots in a camp or along a road. > >> > >> +1, I believe the tag for informal camping spots > should not just be a sub > >> key added to the same tag as for a commercial or > otherwise official camp > >> site, it should be a different main tag > > > > +1 from me as well. Too much risks of confusion of > too different concepts. > > (Please note that I just discovered on that page the > existence of > > impromptu=yes which imho should be warned against on > the wiki, and given > > it's rather low usage (400) after 8 years of > existence, could also be marked > > as proposed for deprecation in favor of another > tourism=x top tag > > > > > > > > ----- > > -- > > sly, contact direct : sylvain /a\ letuffe o r g > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Sletuffe > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Tagging-established-unofficial-and-wild-campings-tp5834677p5837225.html > > Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tagging mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > > -- > Dave Swarthout > Homer, Alaska > Chiang Mai, Thailand > Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
